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Guns should be banned b/c if we bann them noone will have to pay for others wrong doings. Also we would not have to worry about war with iraq or others. If you agree with me then e-mail me back.
I never said he was. Yet there’s plenty of evidence that his regime was certainly involved with major terror organizations, including al Queida. That’s enough for me.
Robert G. Schriefer, Ph.D.|1/3/2004 at 3:03 pm|Permalink
I am writing a scientifical based book titled “Gender Differences Since the Begining of Time,” some of your comments in the document titled “Attaboy” and dated Febuary 2003 are absolutely priceless. May I have your permission to use some of them in my book. I practice strict intellectual honesty and you will be given full credit for you intellectual work.
Respectfully,
Robert “Bob” G. Schriefer, Ph.D.
I think michael jackson is peter pan. He flew through my window last night in a green costume and sprinkled fairy dust on me. then we flew to neverland mansion and he gave me warm milk and cookies, and told stories with tinkerbell and the lost boys. Michael Jackson is my friend and you’re just being ignorant!!
Let’s be fair. Madonna was a newbie songstress when I was in the Navy. (big hit: Material Girl) Her song’s, video’s, etc seemed to be non-political.
Even after I was Honorably Discharged from the Navy, Madonna was doing classics like ‘When You Call My Name It’s Like a Little Prayer’. Again, non-political.
Now she is going political and wants no criticism? Bovine Feces. She is a traitor just by giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
There is a good possibility I would not be writing this response to you, had not the US dropped the 2 atomic bombs on Japan. My father was packed & ready to leave California to take part in the invasion of the home islands of Japan. He was in a unit that detected enemy radio transmissions & would be going in with the first wave of troops. Similar units has 60-80% fatality rates on D Day. Needless to say, his chances of survival were slim & consequently my chances if ever being born(March 1947) were slimmer still.
I get so angry every time an anniversary of the dropping of the bombs comes about. My father is here & has had a productive & valued life. His children, grandchildren, & great grandchildren are leading productive & valued lives. Would the misguided idiots that call themsevles “peace advocates” want hundreds of thousands of Americans & Japanese to have lost their lives rather than drop 2 bombs that ended the war?
Probably so, but thank God, most people are more sensible & not such kneejerk left wing nuts.
My dad, who’s currently in a rest home recuperating from his second knee replacement, was also in the South Pacific during WWII, though he was back stateside near the end. It’s ironinc, but he’s expressed a bit dismay over the current tone out of Washington, but he’s hardly a peace advocate. I give him some room because of his experiences.
As for the current crop of protestors, well, that’s what sites like this one are about. Agree or disagree, it necessary to discuss these things in a thoughtful and analytical way. Even though we’re always right.
I think a line needs to be drawn between the tree-hugging, animal worshipping crowd who propose that animal and plant life is more important than human life and the rest of us pet owners who see pets act or look a certain way that makes us think there’s more to them than what we think…I know I’ve done that on occasion.
dwite: no doubt. I’m a big horse lover myself, and when I’m around those animals, I swear they know what you’re saying or thinking. Then I have to remind myself that they’re just looking for the carrots. My cynical entry shoudn’t hide the fact that, like the poor man who was killed, we can and should love our pets. They’re like babies; they count on us to care for them.
I LOVED this article – probably because I’m one of those “indie artists” that will continue to get ignored by the system…….but also because I really LIKE the idea of a Ramones Musical. I’ll save a ticket for you, front and center, when the time comes (oh, and it WILL come, mark my words!)………
Peace,
Kenn
I WONDER WHY PEOPLE CALL THE BRITISH PEOPLE STUPID. ENGLAND IS OUR FATHER COUNTRY. WE BROKE OUR INDEPENDANCE FROM ENGLAND. I THINK SOME PEOPLE ON HERE NEED TO UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT COUNTRY, DIFFERENT CULTURE, DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES, DIFFERENT UP BRINGING. I AM SURE WE ARE STRANGE TO OTHER PEOPLE ALSO. MY WIFE IS FROM ENGLAND AND I WOULDN’T HAVE ANOTHER AMERICAN WOMAN. SHE IS THE BEST.
One thing is for sure, American’s are seen as the dumbest nation the world over. That’s not to say that all American’s are dumb, because they’re not. The point is that if you go to Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, basically all of the English speaking world, the consensus is that Americans are dumb. Israelis, French, Germans and so on all also all agree. The point is that few people who are intelligent are running the infrastructure of the country.
The Hollywood producers, the great actors, the doctors and scientists etc etc etc are all intelligent. The majority of the population however, everyday people, are not bright at all. The statistic that only about 8% of Americans own passports and only 15% of that 8% have ever used them speaks volumes. Quite often in life, Americans never leave they’re own state!! How can they be educated in the ways of the world, not sharing experiences with others. I know you think ‘well why should we leave America, it’s such a great and beautiful place’. Yes it is, varied and interesting. But nevertheless there is an entire world out there beyond NYC, LA, Florida etc. Britain is great but we travel and share cultures.
Michael Moore is an American who thinks outside of the box. This is why he so well respected in the UK, because as an American he can step back and pinpoint his countries misgivings, much like the best human beings do for their own personalities. Also like the people in the UK he has wicked sense of humour and is not averse to taking the pee out of himself or his country.
Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of us
the Brits along with the rest of communest loving Europe can go F**k themselves, As for that fat piece of shit Moore If he hates his county so much why the hell doesnt he leave. the french (frogs) would welcome him with open arms.
Yeah Moore is well respected and liked here in Britain. So what? And by the way, Europe is not a communist continent. Last time I checked, there are VERY few if any communist countries. Also, the general idea in Britain is that Bush did cheat the election, and is gung-ho for war. Those are 2 reasons why Bush was so badly recieved on his visit here. I think people in America take criticism too seriously. You can dish it out, to the French, the British, Mexicans, Japanese, Chinese, Germans. Name any country, you insult it, but when someone insults you back, it’s “they’re backwards”, “we’re better than them”, “we’re right, they’re wrong”. Yeah, Moore is not perfect, but neither is America, much as you all like to say it is. Take a chill pill guys, hating a man for a measly book stating a different opinion (IS THAT SUCH A CRIME? TO BE DIFFERENT FROM YOU??????? TO STATE AN OPINION????) is such a pathetic thing. In short, it is your going over the top over such a little bit of criticism that is the reason he writes these books, because you just can’t take a different opinion, or any criticism of your “perfect” country. Mind you, if you read our newspapers, you would find we’re not hot about Bush, and that Tony Blair is in bad esteem right now. That’s all I have to say. You won’t have liked this post because I told the truth. Every person I know who read Stupid White Men thought it was great, because it confirmed what we ALL think of Bush, except Blair, and he’s dog food anyway.
anericans are fat lardy shit faced meat heads who produce very few people of a high level intellectual capacity. most americans are dumb and are diluting the worlds level of intelligence. and if anyone doest go along with their POV they are killed or at least declared war upon
If Americans are so stupid then how could it be that they have created so much high technology?
Hahaha! And if the high technology there is because some people from England and Germany and anywhere around the world came to America to work for them in their labs, developing the inventions, while the Americans ‘keep’ the inventions, secret from the rest of the world…I wouldn’t say Americans are so stupid. I would say that the rest of the world who condems America are envious and jealous. America is the most powerful country in the world and they didn’t get that way being stupid.
You folks…no one is so stupid. I think you all take your emotions and personal side too far. Do some research. The whole earth is full of intelligent countries of people.
Sincerely, A Canadian.
in reply to janet,i think you will find that america is the most powerful nation on earth because it kidnapped millions of black people from their own country to work for nothing to feed the fat white settlers.the worse thing is america now blames its ills on the black people!
Now I wouldnt dare stereotype but there seems to be an awful lot of blinkered people living in america,i guess its cos you are all quite insular and stuck all the way over there.Obviously there are intelligent americans,just as there are stupid british people.Its just such a shame that your country is being run by a cheating puppet monkey
the british need to go do something other than sit on their fat asses and drink tea. godammit go fight a war or something. we could use your help in iraq.
Why do you talk about something that happened before someone of you was born ?
That’s so stupid !
Thats like when I’m talking in a chat with a english speaker and I’m saing I’m from German and they calle me “Hitler” .
Do you know what I mean?
This is unbelieveable. If you go back and read my original post, I wasn’t making the blanket comment that the British are stupid, which some of you seem to think I’m implying. Please note that the title of my post is supposed to be a play on the title of Moore’s book. It’s parody, ok?
My comments were meant to point out that there are people (who I believe are “stupid”) who take Moore’s work as the truth and the things he says as having some relationship with reality. In fact, I would think our British friends would be pretty insulted over the way he acted in London last spring (the link is in the above piece).
In fact, I would say the piece has more to do with how much of an asshat Moore is than with how stupid the British actually are. And most of them aren’t.
All NON AMERICANS CAN FALL DOWN AND DIE, WE’RE NOT AS STUPID AS THOSE FREAKING BRITS WHO THINK THEY CAN JUST TAKE WHICHEVER THIRD WORLD COUNTRY THEY WANT. GET A LIFE YOU FREAKING FACISTS.
Susanna you really do talk shit! and i bet you have never been out of your world-polluting country. Dont get me wrong though i quite like yanks. Ive been to America and so i think i know a little bit more about your country than you do mine (the UK). yes the majority of you are stupid and have no idea about the outside world, and yes you may have to hang that equally stupid flag of yours everywhere (even on dog kennels) just to remind yourselves where you are but in general i think you’re ok
Ps. I cant stand monty python either, absolute crap
I want all americans to die. the world hates you for many reasons. i personally always have. are we jelous of you. i dont think so. jelous of what exactly. wankers
OUCH! that hurt, not why dont u fuck off with your crappy british insults , wankers doesnt even sound like a real word why dont u speak real english not that shit u talk.
wankers is a word, meaning a group of people who masterbate alot, secondly your language is our lanuage first so he is speaking proper english and not the simpler american version- and saying fags to a brit means you are offering him a ciggeret. to susanna, we took which ever third world country we wanted over a long time ago and have since given them back a very long time ago ( world war two infact) we have a long history of taking other countries because we were the power house of the world and could do what we liked. a bit what america is like now
My experience with british people is that they like to make themseleves look good at others expense. Right now I know that my life would be much happier if the british people in my immediate vicinity here horribly mutilated.
Thank you for letting me vent.
Shlynda Williams an American with a British heart|5/30/2004 at 8:06 pm|Permalink
I love the U.K. AND I love the U.S. Please stop fighting people. Why not educate each other instead of spouting useless insults. I am not very fond of my country and especially the President, but for britons to say that we are stupid and deserve to die is insane. Come on, everybody hates something about every country. The U.K. and the U.S.A are to of the most powerful countries in the world. They are also the 2 countries that hate each other the most. What can we do to change this??
I Have been to the US and met a lot of people and I can tell anyone who calles Americans Dumb you are wrong as a brit i found it annoying that people thought i was french or Irish?? but the general public are just like anyone from any other country. Most of them being friendly and interested in you. the same goes for canadians. In every country there are dumb people and smart people. I dont understand why people thing name calling is going to make any difference becuase if people don’t agree they wont listen to you.
The British are a bunch of rasists in desguise, but more importantly the British have a superiority complex they just can’t break. In fact they are acting stupid trying to win over everything and everyone. The problem is that unlike the USA with the same complex, the British don’t put their money where their mouth is. The US no the other hand does put their money where their mouth is. You have to talk the talk and walk the walk if you want to succeed, and thats what the USA is all about. The British only talk the talk but can’t walk the walk, and I hope it stays that way so the world can have a laught at the British complexes. Laughing at their pompous ass false sense of pride and self esteem dwindles their little psyche and annoys the hell out of them, and I for one love it. All those proper, courtly manners are really a desguise for stupidity which stems from decades of discrimination of other nations. In conclusion, what goes around comes around.
Cheers Mates,
Great Britan West - aka - USA|6/23/2004 at 11:24 pm|Permalink
The person who started this board is Irish …Therefore I suggest he has an inferiority complex about being Stupid himself. By act of birth in Eire. For Americans reading the board…The British see the Irish, as an American would see the Polish, and continue to tell jokes about them being slow witted. The world began and will end with Great Britain at the helm. No other country has had and contintues to have such a massive impact on the world. Why? because we try harder, learn faster, think faster and have more knowledge! Why? Because we have BEEN America. Britain has been America before??? (In my admitted arrogance It’s at this point I expect most Americans to scratch their heads and rush off to get a snack for comfort). For those who remain > Britain invented Revolution, Freedom and Liberty…NONE and I repeat NONE of those words were invented on American soil by ‘An American’. Britain learnt her lessons hundreds of years ago mainly through in-fighting, and realsied it was all very pointless. America is in the early stages of learning the lessons the British have mastered. Great Britain continues to manipulate the US and has been since Churchill got the Japs to bomb pearl harbour in 1941. All the way up to September 11th 2001, and past. Great Britain STILL owns the United states. The British Civil War -aka- The war of Independence was an error quickly corrected. They just never told you. As an American you may well think of the United states as being the ultimate country. A country in it’s own right second to none and undisputed champion of the universe. Think about this…..how much food do YOU have in your cupboard? how much money do YOU earn? Are you living the life you want to live? Are you over-compensating with your ranting and raving because secretly you’re unhappy with your miserable life?. I strongly suspect the answer to all these questions is yes. America is a money making machine. Just as Great Britain was for 400 years. Only now the offspring of the British money makers have moved across the atlantic to ‘Great Britain West’ otherwise known as the Untied States of America. America doesn’t care about you unless you’re productive and even then it’s superficial at best. Get up from the computer…open the curatins…and go for a walk. Reality is waiting. I could go on all day educating you but I suspect only one or two people with any sort of brain will visit this board in the next few years.
I’m the one who startes this all, and I think you need to stop slagging off on Monty Python, too. Holy Grail is my second favorite movie of all time.
And while you’re at it, stop slagging off one another and read the frickin’ orignial piece again so you can figure out that no one here is picking on the British or calling them stupid. This is a Michael Moore hit piece. What is it about this that you don’t understand?
Just wondering…
English chap who says bloody|8/27/2004 at 7:53 am|Permalink
I think when it all comes down to it the Americans and the British are fascinated with each other, the only difference being the British knowledge of Americans and the US has to be far more accurate as we (the Brits) as a nation are bombarded with your news, media and culture, where as the American perception of the Brits is that we’re tea drinking, toffs who say bloody and chap allot, when infact the majority of us have regional accents, which most Americans couldn’t understand which is why we’re all perceived to have middle England tossy accents. It makes it easier. I’d bet a million that any American reading this hasn’t got a clue about real British culture. I reckon this is because the US is trapped in its own world and doesn’t want to take a look out side of its own borders, but who would want to if everything you wanted was inside them (apart from oil). You want prof? Look at yahoo UK in the news section and it will mention something happening in other countries. Can you say the same to yahoo.com? And before you say it, Iraq doesn’t count!
I teach British and American English in a European country. I am American, but have many friends that are British. Americans are not stupid. There is direction that this world is going and it’s involved with development and progression. In my history, I had family that was from England, but I am not English. I am American. America was liberated from the English with the help of the French, etc. English people think they are better. European people in general think they have a higher education so that makes them better. So then my question is who leads this world. If education was the demonstration of what you call being correct, why doesn’t it produce better progress. The so called “dumb” people make more progress that any three countries combined in the EU. Germany, Italy, etc. wouldn’t even be a country possibly today if we were as stupid as they say. I say rather that America in a certain sense is having to do the work of these countries that abandon a global unity. They say no to war, but don’t realize it’s because of past wars they have had the security they did. Anger produces results that lead to more anger, but ignoring current conditions and pretending that blindness is correctness is in reality stupidity. Are the British stupid? No. Are Americans stupid? No. If you say yes, they you express your stupidity because you don’t recognize the need for each other. As long as there are humans on this planet, there will always be conflict. Unity is when we work together not expose each other. I have seen more hostility from Europeans concerning America than there is in the Iran. At least they kill each other, we just wound each other almost fatally and think we did each other a favor.
Being American I can tell you that if Kerry would have won the election, America would have just become another Sodom and good for little. Bush, other than war issues, will at least keep the country a country. I hate all the anti-bush crap that exists in Europe. This only shows certain personality traits.
Every country has right and wrong elements. France, Germany, etc. left America high and dry in the beginning. I could be angry with them. I met a French person that was going to America and asked if he’d have problems. We must work together. If not, in the next few years we will either all become Muslim or some Eastern countries and going to need attention. All those so intelligent people who responed, what then should we do? Give up? Die or become an Arab? What’s a solution not another anger response…
I have a cousin that is a NY State Trooper. A newspaper article that mentions MP Parrish and her moronic, anti-American quote (see above) is tacked up on the bulletin board of his barracks. Apparently another NY State Trooper faxed a copy to every NYSP barracks in the state and asked that it be posted up on their respective bulletin boards. That article is tacked up right next to various articles that mention Canadians booing the US National Anthem during various hockey games played in Canada.
Might I suggest that Canadians driving in the US hang American flags from their car windows.
Every single blog I’m reading is saying something nice about Fred Rogers. I’m not surprised. He really was a hero.
I pray for the recently dead sometimes, and I guess I’ll send one up for Mister Rogers. But knowing him, I’m sure he will ask the Big Fella that it be credited to someone who needs it more.
I am 19. I grew up with Mr Rogers, and he is a hero in my book. My Mom never wanted me watching Sesame Street or any of the other shows that were on then(and they were remarkably tame back then). And I never objected. She didn’t want to encourage a short-attention span and instant gratification. Mr Rogers expected us to listen to him, so we did. He put things on our level without ever, ever being condescending.
Mr Rogers invited me into his world and played with me, even sharing his toys. I still remember the trip to the Crayon Factory. I remember seeing the Picture-Picture video of toothbrushes being made, and the trip to the Doll factory. And there was always time to feed the fish – basic responsibility was priority.
I remember hearing all different kinds of musicians slowly and carefully explaining their instruments and their particular art form. The Land of Make-believe was a real place. I figured out pretty early on that Mr Rogers was the one doing all those different voices, and I would sit there trying to picture that nice old man hunched over underneath the carousel or castle.
Even as I got older, I would still come running to sit in front of the TV if one of my little brothers or sisters told me one of his “Operas” was on. He made “grown-up” things cool, and made me look forward to finding out more about them for myself.
I caught myself tearing up like a big baby this morning when I read that Mr Rogers left us to go home. Unless I was sorely deceived somewhere along the way, this is a man who will hear His Maker say “well done.”
I find it interesting that in a time when we’re all really angry at a variety of people (the french, the Germans, Saddam, Osama, etc) that the death of a gentle, kind man hits people in such a profound way. I suppose this means we do have our priorities in the right place.
I don’t know if you’ll even see this since I guess I’m posting it on a pretty old update/entry/what-have-you, but I just wanted to point out that Mr. Rogers did show us that crayon factory, yes, but the remarkable thing is, Sesame Street did too! I saw the Sesame Street version first. It started with a girl using a crayon, and then she looks at it and wonders how it was made, and then we see the video. The crayon was orange. But, of course, Mister Rogers showed us a stamp factory and a sneaker factory, and a wagon factory… I loved those factory videos. I did grow up with both Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. And I loved both shows.
If ANYONE EVER wrote a true Great American Novel, it was Sam Clemmens. The title of the book was Huckleberry Finn. Any narrow-minded asswit who want to ban that book because it has the word “nigger” in it should be dragged off and shot.
Teachers really should be able to use that book to show how Huck came to appreciate Sam for the MAN he was. That’s probably the most anti-racist book ever written. But the message is subtle and most people are incapable of seeing subtile messages.
In response…I CARE, ALONG WITH THE MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS WHO DO NOT SUPPORT OUR WAR.
It is just sad the people “interviewed” seem pretty ignorant, not experts on the matter.
I care, because it is time that entertainers who believe in PEACE begin to voice it, and if Michael wants to do with an old, never a hit song, than so be it.
Melanie: I’m glad you care. You should believe in the things that are important to you. But you have to lighten a little. Smile. George Michael is still a freak. We just like to have some fun with him.
Beautifully said. I hadn’t been able to figure out why all this attention go W’s faith when Clinton was always at prayer breakfasts. Now it’s clear. Nobody thought Clinton was geniune, but they believe that W is geniune… hence, subject to perplexity by the intelligentsia who can’t understand how anyone could bow to anything other than the intellect.
Thanks, Patty. The Clinton receiving communion thing was just one of those totally outraegous things he got away with as President. I can’t imagine George Bush doing this and getting away with it. Remember this, too: one’s presence at a prayer breakfast doesn’t mean one actually prays.
I was so saddened when Mr. Rogers passed. Mostly because I grew up saddened because I made sport of him for so long. Goodbye Mr. Fred Rogers. When I see you again, I ‘ll see that a lot of the angels will have retired their jerseys in your honor!!
Still waiting on those chemical weapons, Joe. And the Iraqi people, still “starving and sickened” – even more sickened by the tons more DU we’ve strewn across the nation (wanna see pictures of “bodies twisted in torment”? – check out the pictures of the thousands of severely deformed babies born in Iraq after the first Gulf War due to our weapons of mass destruction) – are still waiting for the torture and killing to stop.
I think the whole idea is incredibly stupid. Why would the government take money to support these people when the economy is in a crisis? It is peoples feelings about the whole idea, but I find walking across a river and expecting the government to fund it because YOU want to have a war is the most idiotic thing ever, and whoever said it is a dolt.
While I must agree that, indeed, a more than ignorable number of student in the country that walked out on wednesday did do some damnable stupid things (Go to the mall, do whatever the hell they wanted except express their opinions), many students did leave for a cause they truly believed in. The point of a walk-out isn’t to adhere to the normal work-week, it is to illustrate that what we believe in is more important than our own immediate futures. Loathing these students for leaving a place funded by tax-payer money (in most cases) doesn’t show a clear ignorance of authority and logic, but the strong beliefs of a minority of the population who feels that they need to express their dislike for a perceived wrong which knows no continuous schedual or structured week.
And these looters were shameful and disgusting. I think they are a plight of lack-luster empty-headed morons who have no sense and should be severly punished, doubly-over for exploiting something like a peace-protest.
I still fail to see what the actions accomplished (not the looting, the walking out). Adhering to a normal work week is the responsibility of high school students, because they have a responsibility to themselves and their parents (remember us?). This does not mean that a well-informed high school student can’t have an opinion on what they believe is important, and it doesn’t mean they can’t express it publicly. My point is that there are more appropriate times and places to express those opinions.
And I disagree with your contention that what a child does in school affects his or her immediate future. My daughter attends an international baccalaureate program in a county high school. The program is highly structured and academically intense. Everything she does in this program affects far more then her immediate future. And at age 16, I’m going to make sure she’s keeping her focus on that part of her life during those times. If she was so moved by events that she felt the need to act, she can use what little free time she has.
Now, if this makes me sound like some kind of authoritarian, fine. In her life, I am the authority, and no matter what the condition of the world, I want her focus to be on her long-term future. I would not be a responsible parent if I didn’t act in this fashion.
All human activity is fleeting and passing. Whatever your opinion of the Iraq situation, it will eventually pass from us in one way or another. While some go forward into those dangerous waters, other remain home to carry on.
Here’s a suggestion: instead of protesting, why don’t those students find something constructive to do with their time? How about offering to babysit the children of a woman or man who’s spouse is deployed so they get have a little down time or go to the store? How about volunteering to do something constructive in the name of peace? There are plenty of people who need help or kindness in one way or another. Perhaps offering one’s time up for the sake of peace will provide a more constructive way of getting one’s point across. Perhaps then even crusty old war-bloggers like me will sit up and take notice and respect that individual for their beliefs and their selflessness.
As a high school student, I feel I am in an adequate position to say that 90 percent of students are too ignorant on world matters to either protest OR support the war. Of course, students are smart enough to repeat opinions they hear expressed on television and claim these opinions as their own, whether or not they honestly agree. Students protest the war because they see others doing so, and in todays society it is “cool” to take a stand. It is also “cool” to stand for PEACE and LOVE(especially while smopking dope). Most students are not educated enough to take positions on matters such as this, and therefore shouldnt have a right to protest.
Hi-I was in the protest against war when I was a student at Canoga Park High School and uh well, if you look in the right side at the top corner of the picture, you’ll see a blonde girl fixing her hair. Yeah, that would be me. I, to tell you the truth, did not steal ANYTHING and most people in this picture were at the wrong place at the wrong time. I’m one of them. People who got caught stealing on camera were expelled from the high school and I haven’t heard from them since. I got suspended for a day just for being in the picture. Oh well, it’s all ok now. But Dr. Thompson looked like a tomatoe when he was yelling at us. LOL! I just thought someone who was actually involved in this should say something. =) See ya at the next protest
You make an excellent point, but I think the response would be something like: “Instead of using troops, we need to *understand* and then stop making other nations hate us. Only by making other nations like us can we stop terrorism.”
While I find /this/ attitude as equally vapid and naive, you don’t really address. Their solution would be some kind of massive foreign aid giveaway to governments or NGOs, as if reform in Iraq can simply happen if we throw enough money at the problem and wait long enough for an opposition group to coalesce.
Mark: well said. Understanding ans spending (especially other people’s money) is often a solution for such people. I’m glad you addresses it. I suppose I didn’t because I would have gone on and on all day.
What sort of Marine barracks are “for the most part…totally defenseless?” It should be recalled that the Marines were in Beirut to forestall an angry takedown of the brutal (and hardly “defenseless”) Phalangist regime in response to their perpetration of the Sabra and Shatila atrocity (where truly defenseless refugees were butchered and buried alive for a period of hours). It should also be recalled that directly after the horrific casualties suffered by the Marines in Beirut, the US chose to bolster its military “credibility” (after a brief and impotent shelling of the Bekaa valley conducted from safely offshore) by invading Granada, a tiny island nation that could be reasonably characterized as, “for the most part”, “totally defenseless” in the face of the full brunt of US armed force.
I’m just curious, Joe. Who exactly are you and what the heck is this?
I am hoping that you are just a satirist and just trying to be funny, because I have never heard of you, much less given you any type of quote or interview. (And I don’t think the word Cha-ching has ever passed my lips in regards to anything…)
I can certainly see the humor in this, however some of my cousins who pointed this out to me have been concerned that I might have been a victim of the old Nigerian 419 scam. No such case, as I have reassured them.
Perhaps I’ll peruse through this site just to get a bit of the flavor, and check with you later.
Hello again Joe. I just got another letter from someone worried about me. I assured them that your story was satire and that no such plans regarding the sending of money (in either direction) were being made. I hope your blog is going well!
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I just got back from two weeks in Nigeria, finally meeting my father and brothers and sisters for the first time. They are a wonderful family and it was a great experience. I plan on going back sometime in the near future and take my wife and kids with me. Watch for either the October or November issue of GQ Magazine- they are doing a story on me and my trip. (I know- insert your own joke here, but it’s true. One of their senior editors and top photographers went with me.)
I tried to write to “Jim” who made a post after mine so I could forward him the list of Nigerian money offers that I have been compiling for the past several months, but the his link doesn’t work. If you want some samples, let me know. I have plenty I can send you.
Best wishes,
Marty Johnson (or my Igbo name given by my father- Chinenye Martin Ogike)
Will the owner of this site please remove this ridiculous load of nonsense. God only knows where you got all silly quotes about Saddam, Hitler and so on. This material has never been said by us and I suggest you remove it straight away, as what you say is libellous.
I have no problem with any of this stuff (it was actually pretty funny), but if that really is Craig Hamilton-Parker, he has the right to say what he did – and I’m not sure but a court might find this libellous since his name is being used, even with the disclaimer. Just a thought.
Mr. Hitler did at times generously donate to the I.R.C. He felt it necessary to help those less fortunate. He gassed only those who wanted hand-outs. It’s a fact.
was a Dixie Chicks fan and I am holding Natalie very responsible for their in the spur of the moment slur. Especially, for the fact that not long ago she had rude and crass comments for a fellow country artist who wrote and performed a song dedicated to the people of the armed forces and his father. She grilled him for singing this particular hit and did not hide her venomous disdain. Do you think she was crying for his freedom of speech like she is her own now? No, Natalie judged him how she wished to, now the same thing is happening to her and she don’t like it much. She put her foot in her mouth. She is just getting what she gave to another fellow artist and American who has his rights too. I couldn’t care less if anyone boycott’s her. I am. It could have been a mishap, but I have no sympathy for her. She is just as awful as she maintains everyone is being to her.
Very good post, Lisa, especially your point about Natalie vs. the other artist’s right to ‘freedom of speech’. She’s free to speak her mind, and the market i.e. her fans are free to respond as they see fit. A less-than-successful American tour would send a pretty clear message to this ditz.
One question, though. How in the *world* could you leave Janet “Baby-killer” Reno off of your sh*t list?
hope you guys know god loves you and you guys are safed. John 3:16 I love you all and hope you all come home soon and all safe. You have more guts then I do to go over their and fight this nasty war. Just get in and get out. I hope you got saddiam. AMERICA KICKS ASS. love you guys and prays all the time.
Im Proud to be an American! Because we have men and women risking their lives for our freedom and for the freedom of others! My husband is now part of that team!! May god bless you all and bring you home safely to your friends and family! Be brave, stand tall and remember WE ARE AMERICAN AND WE ARE PROUD OF IT
SINCE WHEN? does a news weak planted press freak in Iraq report directly to Hillary Clinton? What were the instructions before arriving in Country?
1- we have to make America look bad.
2-we have to exploit the success of the liberation of Iraq.
3-we have to undermine the morale of the military
4- we have to encourage more terrorist acts
5-we have to show the American people they are losing the war.
6- be sure to get pictures of more dead Americans
7-get good shots of oil burning pipe lines and broken water lines
8- shout 100 x it’s not working holding an electrical cord.
9-try to report this exaggeration on FOX
10. come home and campaign for Hillary bin laden, get medal.
I just lost my dinner appetite. I turned on Fox at 5:30 PM 8-18-03. Big mistake! Fox has no one in Iraq tonight and they are at the mercy of a news weak reporter who is trying to out lie the New York Times. Talk about a Clinton opportunity to bash the war effort. This al quaeda with an American accent went to town. It was like putting a drug addict in charge of the meds.
He was as subtle as a camel driver with two bricks. Fox should have checked his Swordi visa. Some one is going to come back to me and say he was reporting fair and balanced. Yeah sure and excrement comes in all colors.
Here we are worried about how many terrorists tip toed over the Canadian border during lights out and here imbedded in fox on my TV is demoncrat ninja news weak DISTORT OISE..
Look guys! If you want the truth send Uncle Tom with the bullet proof pizza delivery truck and we will win this war between slices. The truth is Baghdad has more electricity than Brooklyn. Less Americans are dying in Iraq than died downtown New York on a nice work day. The reason they are dying there is so you can live to complain more about it here. LET ME SEE YOUR FLAG PIN.
We know the bad guys want to ruin the party but free Iraqis are on our side. The sooner we stop the bad guys the better off the whole world is going to be. One year from now Iraq is going to be the best tourist spot in the Middle East. IRAQIS WILL SING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. Who are you going to believe? Abutom the Rasuli of Kabir Tuffah with lights or another FLAG BURNING death inviting, crying, whining, finger pointing, dinar passing demoncrat under contract from news weak.
Where is Sadaam? I say Bush gets him by CHRIST MASS. Santa Claus is coming to down. Just look under the hanging tree. Bush always seems to be in the right place at the right time. A pitchers mound in New York 911 stadium. Ground Zero USA! USA! USA.! He descended from heaven twice. Once to appear with his beloved military on an aircraft carrier to thank them for their mission acomplished. The second time to serve his military Thanksgiving dinner and thank them personally for their tremendous service to our Nation.
First to hang by the chimney with care will be Al Douri, then the third guerney at Baghdad Airport will be filled in time for Bush Eid. The last one he is saving for 911 in 2004. He will walk out of the Iranian hills with Osama draped over the saddle saying Don’t mess with TAXES. The economy is back, the 401k’s are coming back to life. If you call the Whitehouse he will get you a job. Iraq is converting to dollar dinars. Already the Arabs call the great won G.W. (peace and low gas prices be upon him) Tariq Mumtaz . This translated means star of wonder. Ok everybody sing together. Westward leading
still proceeding, guide us to, you know the rest.
Hillary and Reed the shoe bomber went to Kabul and Americans were forced at gunpoint to sit next to her. She never served. She thought she was back in the whitehouse putting down the military. I heard she sent the cranberry sauce back and the mess hall is missing two folding chairs. Pretty soon we all will be fighting terror in the voting booth. If you never served your country or you are a surviving witness to the Clinton legacy don’t blame the Clintons. Blame your self. The Clintons had a lot of help. 40 DAYS BEFORE 911 48 SENATORS VOTED TO BURN THE FLAG ON RECORD. SJR.7. IF YOU FEEL COMPASSION FOR ONE DEAD AMERICAN IN UNIFORM. VOTE OUT THE SENATOR AND CONGREASEMEN WHO VOTED TO BURN THEIR SACRED BURIAL SHROUD.
IN THE RECENT VOTE TO KILL KIDS EXITING THE BIRTH CANAL 31 OUT OF 33 SENATORS WHO PLAYED EDWARD SCISSORS HANDS KENNEDY WERE THE SAME 31 WHO VOTED TO BURN THE FLAG. GET RID OF THE MOST DEADLY AND AMERICA WINS BIG TIME. IF THEY NEVER SAVED ONE KIDS LIFE THEY WILL NEVER SAVE YOURS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND SIX MORE UNDER BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD AND RICE.
CAPTAIN BOYCOTT-SAY GOODBYE TO HOLLYWOOD.
I AM WATCHING MEL GIBSON’S THE PASSION. HEY CAN YOU GUYS KNEEL DOWN IN FRONT! I LOVE BOYCOTTS, IMPEACHMENTS AND BACK LASHES.
how give a flying fuck about saddiam how san he is married to suben and they are going to kill you and tony big ears and the queen the old beedy they got the most powerfull gun in germany and they mist the queen and tony big ears because tony fly of
I hope you active duty personnel get to read this. There’s a lot of bullsh*t going around here about US troops. Well to h*ll with all of that– we love all of you and we support your mission.
I’ve been in the service, but I was on subs (boomers) and never saw combat. We used to joke that when we see combat, it’ll be when everyone else is out of bullets ) I can’t imagine how tough it is out there for all of you. I can’t imagine losing friends, and having rounds whiz past my head, or to be wounded far away from friends and family. As a result I cannot ever express my gratitude for each of you and your efforts.
Please know that the punks on the left and their a**hole buddies in the press aren’t phasing most of us. We want you to win, and come home safe and sound as soon as possible!!!
God bless and protect each of you!!! God give us victory and peace!!!
Hehe… Not smart to go to war.. but since your already fighting i hope you dont kill to many.. not good.. and dont pray, it make you stupid and distracted…. god wont help you.. have you ever seen a man being killed by god? no.. your the war not god..
While I’ll agree about Daschle being a whining, liberal sock puppet, bottom line is that Bush KNEW about the bullsh*t, bogus info about Iraqi nukes and the trumped up Al Queda connection. To say you believe otherwise means you’re either a fool or just a lying card-carrying Republican hack! That would be like saying you believe that Ken Lay is innocent of any of the evil-doing at Enron – yeah, that’s a f*cking hoot!
Good essay. You’re right about all of it. I especially want to make the point that Bush is a man of principle and honor.
It’s funny to read this now when the news of Liza’s split (they don’t say Liza and David because he doesn’t matter anymore) has just come out. They simply used the war for their own purposes. As entertainers see it, reality is just a backdrop for their own theatrical play.
Yes, I loved Liza in Cabaret and am truely sad to see how badly she’s handling life as she ages gracelessly and using her mom’s tragic personal struggles as an excuse to behave badly.
Also, Jenna, go suck eggs ;?D! Bush is a lying, immoral knucklehead dancing to the tune of Big Energy, The Evil Pharm Empire and his Princely buddies in Saudi Arabia! Go shovel your Republican tripe where the Pigs of Power (AKA the Aristocracy of the Rich) will hear your pusillanimous prevarications!
(OK, was that over the top….)
Ron Silver is my hero.It’s nice to see that he’s not a “Hollywood robot”. what I mean is that it seems the liberals are all programmed to think,act,and speak the same.It’s like they have no individual thoughts.At least Ron sees the big picture and can think for himself. He also knows what he’s talking about,unlike many in his profession.
Just in case you’re too dense to figure it out, this post is a joke. No one’s going to piss on you. You might want to explain this to JohnnySporto, who placed the story on your site.
Lucas "Hosed" Goodwin|3/25/2003 at 8:28 am|Permalink
A german “buddy” of mine touted this trite to me and constantly referred to it in our debates on guns and crime rates and the bogus stats quoted on anti-gun sites for months.
Anyways, to make a long story short, I never bothered to watch it, but did want to know what it said and found the site by the gun lawyer which tears it apart and referred him to that. After reading several other equally biting critiques I saw no point in ever seeing this crap nor will I ever bother.
It’d just piss me off and I for one don’t enjoy being aggrivated.
You know what? The more you attack Moore, the more popular he becomes. Just like Moore’s expose of North County bank invited a surge in new accounts from folks who just wanted that free gun.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Is this true? It’s very interesting if it is. I always download and install the newest security patches on my computer, and have a firewall even though I’m on a 56K modem, I get ping requests all the time.
Good luck with it…. trucks rule! I have a ‘99 Chevy S10 which I bought brandie-new (12 miles on the clock when I bought it and I put 4 of them on with the test-drive!)
I don’t like driving trucks. But maybe that’s because the ones that I’ve driven were a piece of crap. So if I had a nice one maybe I would like driving it.
Thank you. I believe you wrote one of the best editorials on the “Bush Speech” I have read. Black and white – crisp and clear – much like our terrific President. When will the left get it? The majority of Americans appreciate and admire a leader with the qualities of President Bush. He is remarkable and I am very proud to have him leading our country.
Damn it JOE! I ran across your site tonight, and decided to do some reading. This piece is FUCKING INSPIRING….sorry for my French (I am trying to avoid French) ha ha
No kidding…as I was reading this…I sensed it gathering momentum….I think it must have been a release for you. I don’t write very well, but you have helped me with some of my anger today.
Thanks!…………Keep ‘em coming…I’m putting this on my favorites…..
Steinar Tolleshaug|11/6/2004 at 11:46 pm|Permalink
Sorry for my bad english but I was pleased when Georgie won again.I loved it because now we can finally get rid of America in Europe(The old world).Anyway the ones that stayed behind in Europe were not cowards like you and you,re fellow Americans. We managed to make a much better Europe when your you and Your anscistors left.We don,t need You and your country is gonna fall deep deep down. I love America but not this America.Sorry Mate
Byrd Droppings gives off an aristocratic look, but his words deny him that perception as soon as he opens his mouth. I have given this some thought….you know how the Dems figure Bush will use the photo op in the campaign….I say the Bush campaign would do best using Byrd and Waxman in a side by and have the caption….YOUR CHOICE..these guys or me! That would carry 49 states…maybe 50 if California gets scared enough of those N. Korean nukes comin’ at Hollywood….I can see Michael Moore now, he’d be the one pee’in and crying…’protect me…protect me’ I threw my gun away!!! ha ha
I read with interest your article complaining of the baseball blackouts in Florida. Do you know who in Congress may be sympathetic to pushing a change down MLB’s throat? If you think you have it bad there, try living in Vegas and see what you get. We do get a (very) few telecasts from the Dodgers, Angels, Padres and Diamondbacks. However, most of such telecasts are not picked up by our local stations. Meanwhile, we are considered in the blackout area of (at least) the Dodgers, Giants, A’s, Angels, and Diamondbacks, so sometimes as many as five of the games carried on the Extra Innings package I subscribe to are blacked out on a given day. Some days it seems they blackout the Rockies too just to add insult to injury. I’m a Braves fan (proving the team you can see the most on TV may become your favorite) having become one while living in Hawaii and getting virtually no games there but the big networks’ games and TBS (that was pre-Extra Innings, etc.) At least Extra Innings lets me watch the roughly one quarter of braves games not on TBS. Those on Turner South (a regional network) are shown on Extra Innings (unless of course they are playing one of the 5 teams listed above as blacked out here). Thanks for providing someone I could vent to, but if you know any better targets, let me know. Regards, Bill Cobourn
Just read your article and boy you said it all. I am also in Florida and pay 159.00 for the season of Extra Innings. All I get are the live Yankees games and this week I was blacked out two days in a row.
Where in Florida are you? I’m in Orange Park, up near Jacksonville.
I’m curious about something. Do you get the package on DirecTV, or through
one of those digital cable deals?
I wondered because other then the Friday night game against Toronto (which was only shown locally in NY on WCBS), I got every game this week: Boston on Monday afternoon (I missed it because of work) on YES, Tuesday vs. Cleveland
on YES, Wednesday vs Cleveland on ESPN (alternate feed), Thursday vs Cleveland on YES. Oh, yesterday’s game was blacked out because of the Fox Saturday rule. If the game had started an hour *later* than it did, I would have seen it on YES.
On DirecTV, I not only get all available games from all teams, but I also get all the “alternate” ESPN games. On Wednesday nights, ESPN usually has one “main” game they show throughout the country. However, in the cities for the
two teams, the local/cable stations have the rights, so they usually show two “alternate” games in those regions. I get all of those games on the dish, so a lot of times, I get a Yankees game that would normally be blacked out.
I’d be interested in what kind of arrangement you have. Maybe I can convince you to go DirecTV…and, no, I don’t work for them. I just hate cable.
While I do agree with you that 30 MLB teams are too many, I don’t agree with you that the talent is spread too thin. MLB has never had a bigger talent pool from which to pull in its history.
As I’m sure you’re well aware the US is going sort of a 2nd “Baby Boom”. Back when I was a kid (just a few years ago, relatively) I remember the estimated population of the US was 225 Million. Now its closer to 280 Million. That’s an increase of 55 million in 15 years.
Also, consider the game’s popularity in the Carribean and Central/South America, essentially to the point that in the Dominican Republic, any male under the age of 16 either plays baseball or gets his butt in the sugar cane fields. The game also is becoming popular in Australia, Italy, England, and has been popular in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan for years. I don’t have the time to do the math but I’d guess that the talent pool in 2003 is more than double the talent pool in 1943 when you had 16 teams and only white Americans played ball.
Regarding why I think that there are too many teams, 30 teams would be a good number if baseball were the #1 or #2 sport in the nation, which it is not. It’s not that Tampa Bay, Kansas City or Minnesota are bad markets, their problems have more to do with bad management and the decline in popularity of baseball across the nation.
Also regarding contraction, how in the heck is Bud Selig going to propose contracting the Oakland A’s (my team)??? Never mind that the A’s were a charter American League franchise, or that the A’s have the 2nd most World Series championships in MLB behind the Yankees. No, no, no, let’s contract THEM. As a matter of fact, I may write an article about that…
You’re probably right regarding the talent pool, especially in Latin America, and the Asian countries, from which a lot of good ballplayers arre emerging.
But, I hold to my contention that 30 teams is too many for MLB. And, I agree with you that the overwhelming reason is management, especially in markets like Tampa. The problem I have with those bad teams is that they went through all the trouble to get franchises, only to wind up with ownership and management that don’t give a shit about putting a winning team on the field. Teams can do that in different ways; the Yankees have always spent money to get the “best” players, where a team like your A’s build with value, and reload after they unload the high-priced talent. The former is easy to do, but not all teams have the deep pockets, obviously, or the front-office expertise to evaluate well (Baltimore had huge payrolls for years and they haven’t sniffed the playoffs in decades). Oakland is one of those at the other end of the spectrum. I think Toronto and a couple of other teams are carefully managing to do a lot with a little, or the unexpected.
The question is why has baseball declined in popularity? I can think of a few reasons, but the biggest one is the man I blame for much of baseball’s problems, Bud Selig. He’s managed, single-handedly, to take the fun out of the game. I won’t go into all that here, as I’m planning on doing my own piece about it.
The A’s will never go away. I look forward to the Yankees and the A’s hooking up each year.
Oh, one small correction: Oakland is tied with the Cardinals for second place in titles. But, they’re still 15 below the Yankees.
Joe,
I am in Zephyrhills and I get the EXTRA INNINGS package from DirectTV. Blackouts for me are at at avarage at about 3 amonth. I am not a baseball fan, just a Yankee fan so I only pay to watch the Yankee games. I get the YES channel when the game comes throught the EXTRA INNINGS channels which is 754-769, or so.(I can watch the game on either channel. The YES channel alone is not available with any package. Worse than the blackouts was the disappointment of losing Robin Ventura to the Dodgers.
Joe,
I just wanted you to know that I thoroughly enjoyed your extremely well written and well thought out piece. The bottom line, of course, is to eliminate or lessen the blackout problem. I’m not sure, but I suspect that YES can pay MLB for the right to broadcast Yankees Classics, Encore, et al, to out-of market customers, but chooses not to do so. Is that the case? If so, I have no idea how much it would take, but is there a way that the out-of-market Yankee fans, as a group, could make it worth their while? I think we need some leverage, and we’re not gonna’ get it one person at a time.
I just can’t figure this blackout stuff? Can someone help explain it to me? I live in Minneapolis. I am a big Yankee fan and would like to see some games. I would consider switching to DirectTV if I know I wouldn’t get all the games blacked out.
It is my impression that if I received YES via the sports package – I would get 0 games – each one blacked out.
I read the MLB Extra Innings package and I read that if a national TV station has national rights to a ball game – I will be forced to watch that game – (all MLB games will be blacked out). But if a Twins game is on my regional Fox network, it won’t be blacked out?
It’s really confusing to me. Seems like with the blackout scenario the way I understand it, I should get about half of the Yankee games? None of Sunday or Wednesday (ESPN) or a few others that may be broadcast on CBS, NBC, ABC etc. Sound right?
Yes, gianluca, I already know the trick of getting around blackouts…hacked access cards or using another zip code for your billing, etc. etc. Hassles I don’t need, thanks.
It’s good to see an outlet for those who want to vent on their problems with MLB’s Extra Innings package. I found this site by way of “Googling” on that very premise.
I have a couple of problems with how MLB operates their premier sporting television package:
(1) I am a Montreal Expos fan — MLB hasn’t killed us all off, YET — in Canada. MLB has partnered exclusively with one of the larger cable providers here (available only in certain regions) and yet they BLACKOUT ALL Expos and Jays games, saying that the ENTIRE country is their market. So even if you live several thousand miles away from Toronto or Montreal (hey, it’s a big country) in MLB’s opnion, you’re still in their market. Does this make sense? Of course not. (By the way, the Expos didn’t have a TV deal in place last year, so there was nothing to compete with, nothing to black-out if you will!)
(2) Another problem I have with this package, is the premise of “out of market games.” If you’ve ever subscribed to the NHL’s Center Ice, or the NBA’s League Pass, you’ll know that if ANY of their games are being televised somewhere, somehow (within reason) it will be distributed on the package. That makes perfect sense, and it adds value to the package overall. You can see why people really enjoy these two packges…
So, how is it that the NHL and NBA can work together with its clubs and broadcasting partners to put together such a complete service, making MLB look like complete morons?
Hi,
I am completely confused about all of this as well. Last year we purchased the MLB package and the Sports Pak through Directv and got most of the Yankees games on 622 – YES. My question is, that Directv customer service could not answer, do I need both? I would rather pay $10.00/month for YES and not have to pay $149 for the MLB package. They are telling me that I need the MLB package and since I am not in the NY area I will not get any games on YES, but last year I got all the games on YES???
You got the Yankee games on YES only because you bought Extra Innings. If you didn’t buy it, you wouldn’t, even if you have Sports Pak.
Here’s the correct, detailed answer:
The Sports Pak is just an extention to the basic DirecTV package. All Sports Pak gives you is all the regional sports channels available from around the country. You will not see any pro sports that are included in any sports packages (baseball, basketball or hockey) other then what’s broadcast in your specific geographical area.
Let’s say you live in Jacksonville, which is close to where I live. I would get Fox Sports Florida and Sunshine Network, because they serve my region, and they would be included in my basic DTV package. Any games on those channels will be available to me, like Orlando Magic or Tampa Bay Lightning games. I’d also get all Marlins and Tampa baseball.
I can add all the other regional sports channels with Sports Pak, and I’ll get any non-pay programming, but those out-of-market games on those channels will be blacked out, unless you pay for the individual sports package.
Now, remember, if you get Sports Pak, you’ll get YES. You get to see all the regular programming on YES, but Yankees and Nets games will be blacked out…unless you get MLB Extra Innings or NBA League Pass.
You don’t need both. If you want just the baseball, you can get MLB-EI. If you want YES for any other programming, you need to add it with sports pak.
I, too, have been dismayed by the stupid blackout rules, but I have figured out least part of the problem. MLB says they are protecting the local franchises and, yes, they expect you to drive up to 500 miles to see a “local” team or be able to get it on local affiliate TV, both of which puts money in the pockets of the local team owners. I feel I should be able to at least watch my “home teams” when they are on gthe road, but noway Jose. The problem comes from this; when is your local TV airing the game and when is the visiting team airing the game on MLB EI? It can be either. Apparently most of the cable and satellite people don’t know who is going to carry it via EI so they use computers to handle this and, therefore, are forced to black out both ends, the home and visiting teams and again, based on the ridiculous range. That is based on what I was told by a customer service rep at my satellite company and what DirectTV has provided via the following url: http://www.mohaveaz.com/directv/dtv.sports.blackoutrules.htm. Congress will never step in so about all we can do is collectively complain, at least for now.
I live in Southern North Carolina and can’t watch Baltimore games….they do not show oriole games locally and I do not get any sports network channel….how is this justified?? So a life long Orioles fan can’t watch his team at all..so now I have to drive lik 7-8 hours north to even get a game…forget about away games..just when I thought things didn’t make sense..it got more confusing…I CANT WATCH AWAY GAMES ON MLB TICKET!!! It is impossible for me to get orioles on my local station..impossible..I just want to say F*ck You to the MLB..you money hungry greedy sport reckin fags…
Nothing new to report other than the fact that I live in NW Wiscosnin and I get blacked out on the Twins the Brewers and both Chicago teams which are a 7 hour drive away
I think its a sign of the greed of Directv (owned by right winger Rupert Murdoch) and MLB headed by right wingers. They double tax us on the most basic things. I pay top of the line prices for directv premiere packages. The NBA league pass at least doesn’t black out the replays of my team the knicks. So in the slim chance that a game would be blacked out live, I could always count on the replay. Not so for MLB. What right do they have to blackout previously aired content. If you are paying for the regional sports networks, what right do thay have to black out shows such as yankees encore or mets rewind. I pay for that show. I understand not getting it live if its blacked out, but the next day? Its a ridiculous incursion on my rights and one that is basic to the profit first of the bush administration
I live in central fl. I just bought directtv EI and the sports pack yet i could not watch the game at yankee stadium this past week against the White Sox.
Is this because they want me to go to tampa (150 miles) I can’t seem to figure out when i will get yankee games which is what i care about. I get the Red sox no problem and other games.
John
You need to take the politics out of this. And you’re off base on a couple of things.
First of all, this has nothing to do with any alleged “profit first of the (B)ush administration.” This set of rules has been in place for a long time…through the entire Clinton Administration, for example.
The culprit here is MLB, not DirecTV. DTV applies the rules on blackouts because that’s how MLB sets them. They have no control over what gets blacked out, since MLB, as the franchiser/owner of the sport, tells them what they can and cannot show.
In fact, you may not have noticed that many of the non-game shows are no longer blacked out as they once were. Go here to see the message from YES network:
Previously, YES had to black out a lot of those shows because, according to what they had on the site up until last summer, those programs “contained material owned and licensed by MLB” which meant they couldn’t be shown outside of the local area without violating MLB licensing requirements. Apparently, they have worked a deal with MLB to lift those restrictions.
For what it’s worth, MLB has also lifted the Wednesday night ESPN blackouts of Extra Innings games, so there will be mmore games available.
As for the replays, there was a time when they were available in the clear, but what I believe happened was that MLB discovered that DirecTV was showing the games in the clear to everyone who subscribed to the Sports Pack (or one of the Premier packages that included all the regional sports feeds). So, essentially, you could catch a replay of many games on the dish even if you didn’t subscribe to Extra Innings, and MLB decided to put a stop to that.
Any restrcitions placed on any MLB-owned product or licensed item is placed there by MLB. In addition to what they do to satellite owners, they also screwed Internet users out of hearing live broadcasts of games on loacl radio station web sites. Now, you have to subscribe to some kinf of Internet package that allows you to get the games in real time over the net.
Many of thes restrictions have been put in place since Bud Selig bacame commissioner. This is a man who’s so tight, the coins in his pocket squeak when he walks. And until the rest of the organization realizes that by thinning the competition (too many teams in too many cities that don’t give a shit), and forcing more revenue sharing and taxes by those successfuly owners (like George Steinbrenner) that’s he alienating more fans then adding them, this is the way it’s going to be.
There’ nothing wrong with making a profit. Organizations wouldn’t exist if profit wasn’t possible. No one expects MLB to be a charity. Buy, by trubg to squeeze every penny out of every possible crack in the organization, they have misplaced their focus away from the fan.
By the way, one other thing I should mention for anyone visiting here about this issue. There’s a relatively easy way to solve the blacked-out replay issue: get a TiVo.
I added mine last winter and DirecTV has a $99 deal on them now with free installation (which you should take). You can pay for the unit over three payments of $33 each. This is simply the greatest thing ever invented. If you know you’re going to miss a game for whatever reason, you can set it up to record with a couple of button clicks, and you never miss a thing.
I’ve used mine for lots of favorite shows, but I love using it for a game I don’t want to miss. Yesterday, I had a lot of yard work to do. Set the TiVo up to record the game that morning, didn’t miss a pitch. Plus you can scan through the game, skip commercials, do your own replays. It is very sweet.
The only hassle: making sure you DON’T hear the final score before watching the recording.
If you don’t have one, get one. You’ll thank me later.
I’m a big Cincy Red’s fan and I live in the Houston area. I thought by getting Dish Network and subscribing to the All Sports package (Fox Sports Network) I could get the games I like to watch in those areas. To my dismay, College games and Baseball games are blacked out on those fox channels. I’m very dismayed about the whole blackout situation. How can you have programming if everything is controlled by the money grubbing Conglomerates that control this? I hope something changes soon. Why have all this access if it’s going to be tightly regulated.
I posted earlier but you obviously”misconstrued” my info. To get around “home game” blackouts, yes you need to subscribe to the sports package in question. But, by changing your service address outside the 90 mile radius, and keeping your billing address the same, Voila, no more blackouts. You have to get adjusted to “out-of-town” local channels and if you have more than one receiver, a whole additional bill. Worth it? Yes, I do it, but I only have one receiver
i live in NW Iowa. Have sat. My twins arent on FSN no more blackout out on EI Royals Brewers Chicago and Cards are also blacked out on EI. Also Royals are blackout on thier FSN station. i want to get rid of the stpid blackout rules
Im a PADRE fan, I live two hours from petco park. Im blaked out on everything that has to due with padre baseball. I understand that the culprit here is that used car salesman (THIEF) and the organization he runs. How do we send this forum to congress?
I have a rather unique situation. I travel in an RV, have 2 dish PTVs (same as tivo) I am a Diamondback fan and was planning to suscribe to EXTA innings until I looked at their blackout procedures. As long as they are on FOX, ESPN or another major station. I don’t have a problem. Many of the Diamondback games, however, are only on local stations. When that happens the extra innings channel for that game is blacked out. I cannot get Phoenix channels outside of Arizona because of the spot transmission. Dish and the Diamondbacks tell me that the extra innings channel is exactly the same game with the same announcers and the same commercials. If that is the case who have I hurt by watching the game on channel 650 instead of channel 3? Everyone I talk to says it is not our problem and we cannot do anything about it.
Does the different zip code really work? I have dish network and I live in Hawaii. I’m a die-hard Orioles fan, but I can’t get any of their games–not even through MLB package. I have to find a way to beat this…Hawaii doesn’t have much baseball and I’m going crazy over here(besides the fact that I live in paradise). Help…
Yes, the different address works. The problem, if you want to call it one, is that your local channels are New York channels. So, when you watch the news or any local show you normaly would on YOUR local channels. They are, in fact, New York news and local programming. And there is really no way, as long as things don’t go wrong and you need a service tech to come out to your house, that they will know you don’t live where you say you do. Just go for paperless bills. Again, this is quite the sacrafice for the team of your choice. Also, when you call the Directv to change the address. the change will happen while you’re on the phone with them, it’s that quick. Well. If that’s the route you want to go. More power to you.
I noticed that Scrimshaw’s jockey was changed to Gary Stevens when Champali came down with colic the other day.
Of course I like fairy tale endings – which Funny Cide could provide and I wouldn’t count out Ten Cents a Shine with DW Lucas as trainer and Jerry Baily as jockey.
I’ve never been any good at picking horses (I don’t understand the speed figures and all that), and anything can happen during the race, so I just watch for the fun of it.
Heh. Yeah, I’ve been told that. However, I believe, through nearly 20 years of careful research, that I would have to commit the at least 5 of the following crimes to reach full ‘Neckdom:
1. Show *any* interest in NASCAR, especially by slapping a “In Memory of Number 3″ decal on the truck window.
2. Back to the truck: adding a bumper sticker with a Confederate flag and the statement “Heritage Not Hate.”
3. Losing *any* of my visible front teeth and not replacing them immediately.
4. Leaving any broken appliances on the front lawn or in the driveway.
5. Actually saying out loud that I am looking forward to attending the annual Clay County “Ham Jam”.
6. Using expressions like “Can you bust up this twenty dollar bill for me?” or, when asked a question where the answer is a simle “no,” saying “It sure ain’t, ma’am.”
7. Telling anyone from above the Mason-dixon line “We don’t care how you do it up north.”
and, finally…
8. Permenantly replacing the expressions “youse” or “you guys” with “y’all.”
You must be using Mapquest for your driving directions from Florida. I’d sneak in the back way — across the Goethals Bridge from the Jersey Tnpk, through Staten Island, and across the Verrazano. Then that rockin trip up the Belt Parkway. I’ll be in Ronkonkoma at Mom’s house before anyone knows I’m here.
I think I’d like to save all the e-mails I get like this, then add up the money in each one. Should be in the millions. All that money, over in Africa, just waiting to be…transferred. It boggles the mind.
“If you took all the money in the world and divided it equally among everybody, it would soon be back in the same pockets it was before.”
–A very rich man
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!!!!!!!!! Take it from an expert. I recieved a similar email 2 years ago,and have sent over 8,000.00 so this money will get to me. Finally after all the emails and phone calls stopped…I called FBI……They arrested the man in June of this year and he had plead guilty to over 10 counts of mail fraud and money laundring. He is in Federal prison in Cal right now and he will be sentenced this friday. They government siezed his 400,000.00 home and bank accounts totaling over 1,870,000.00. I am expecting my money back in a few weeks.
money is easy to make,you just need to know what your doing .find a product that evryone needs and is lacked market it properly on a wide range of people and you will become filthy rich…..
a person that made his money selling charckoal in boxes.
That lady who gave the money, the 8,000.00, … the “expert,” is an idiot. Who ever, with ANY kind of sense, would fall for this?
By the way, going door to door collecting for the “Ronald McDonald Foundation” is about as lucrative.
I’m so sorry. An invasion like that is hard to explain in words. But, basically, it takes away every bit of security and comfort you have. It’s a violation so personal that you seldom regain the calm you had prior….or at least, it takes a very long time to recover.
I’m wishing your parents a speedy resolution and a rapid capture of the asshat who did this.
Thanks, DG, I’ll pass your kind words to them. Fortunately, they weren’t there when it happened, and tough NYers that they are, they’re trying to take it in stride. This has happened to me, so I know how they feel. Just give me five minutes with the little *&$#@!.
“What makes woman happy?” That question will never be answered! Although Mrs. Zogby Blog, Melissa, is about the happiest person I know, and believe me, I have little to do with it.
My darling, She Who Doesn’t Use Technology, seems happy with me most of the time. Except when I drag shit in from the yard or refuse to rinse off my dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. (Isn’t that what a *dishwasher* is for?). I have to assume there’s some happiness there, otherwise she would have left me a long time ago.
I’ve been checking out your site ever since my family wrote about the piece you did on me. (That has all been straghtened out now, thank you.)
I gotta tell you, I like your style- especially about the self-important attitudes of celebrities like Spike and Natalie Maines.
Interesting that today the judge put a temporary injunction from the name change until further review.
I wonder if Mr. Lee will sue to make Spike Jones change his name.
And what about all those parents who named their kid after Spike- will they have to go back to Michael, Tiger, Magic, Randy, Puffy and Juwann? (O.K.- so I really doubt anyone named their kid after Juwann Howard, except of course in the State of Michigan. But you get my point.)
I really hope that this silly little case goes back before the judge or the panel or whatever and is quickly disposed of.
Then, I’ll bet you’ll never see “Do the Right Thing” on Spike TV.
For Christ’s sake. Yet another amateur critic, another pompous ‘expert’ on punk and the Sex Pistols, his knowledge cribbed from second-hand sources and a wildly overrated fictional film. This is just a pop group on tour, playing songs. That’s neither here nor there. As you so astutely observed, this is an exchange of goods & services for money: nostalgia and hopefully a halfway entertaining night out for the audience members, and money for the band. Aside from your incredibly self-important sense of what’s right and proper, derived from years of devouring masturbatory rock criticism in your bedroom, where’s the fucking harm? I’m going to see the Pistols because I wasn’t fucking alive during their heyday (so where’s the ‘nostalgia’ in this case?) Now I get to see them, and I’m excited about it. I’m certainly under no illusions that I’m going to be witnessing genius at work (this is guys like Steve Jones on stage, after all), or that it’s going to be a historic night to remember. It’s going to be a lounge act, musical theater, a bit of fun, a good laugh or two. Rotten will be every inch the professional entertainer he’s become and say a few rude things, just as he’s expected to. I’ll hear some old songs I like, have a few beers, and go home mildly amused. That’s just going to burn your ass, isn’t it? I recommend Preparation-H suppositories for that. Incidentally, the name of the album is Never Mind the BOLLOCKS, not Bullocks.
How can I argue with a spud who refers to himself as “Dick Jagoff”? How long did it take you to come up with that original moniker?
“second-hand sources”?
Let me tell you something, pal. I was alive during their heyday, and in fact, for a while, I lived two blocks from the old Chelsea Hotel where Sid did his little Nancy in. I used to see that moron on the streets a lot, and let me tell you, he was a cruel and nasty SOB. So, please don’t give me this crap about where I learned about the punk movement in this country. I spent more time in more clubs watching more of the seminal acts of that movement than you’ll ever know about. Please don’t give me this smart-mouthed crap about what you think I know or don’t know. I lived it.
As far was what you and your sorry ass are going to do with your money…fine, buy a ticket, go see the circus act, and enjoy yourself. The plain fact of the matter is that you’re not getting anything for your money other than a blalant attempt by four people who are looking to cash in on their brief stamp on pop music history and the succeeding flame-out. My intention wasn’t to pick on the Pistols…they just happened to be the latest in a long line of dinosaur acts looking to cash in on their past rather than create anything new. And, based on Rotten’s remarks regarding their last “tour” in 1996, they are only doing it for the money…he admitted it. If you read the piece, you’ll see that I do admire them for that one great record they did.
As for the film, what makes you think it was fictional? The plain fact is that, even though Cox took some liberties with some events and dialog, much of what you saw in that film actually happened. I know there’s been a lot of arguments about this among Pistols fans for a long time, but the series of events and their general occurrence are pretty close to reality.
Oh, yeah, as far as what I think is right and proper…this is my goddamn blog, and I can put into it whatever the hell I do think is right and proper. I don’t care about “rock criticism” because I don’t read any rock critics…haven’t in years. I find it much more cathartic to speak my own opinions. You don’t have to like it, and if you want to disagree or say something different, you can always start your own blog, okay?
In the meantime, when you come here, you could disagree in a more congenial fashion, like a gentlemen would. But, since you chose to act like an asshole instead, you’re going to get treated like one.
I do appreciate you correcting my spelling error, however.
Next time you come here, don’t be such a prick, okay? Disagree. But do it nicely. And don’t make assumptions of people about whom you know nothing.
I think I might have sent this twice,Im sorry if I have.
Hello,I am doing an assignment on the music industry,in particular Artist Management and I was wanting to use one of your quotes for my assignment,
“Their manager, Malcolm McClaren, managed to manipulate the band, now fronted by a green-haired singer named Johnny Rotten, into a huge personal cash cow by tweaking British society and royalty with obscenity and insults”.
could you please send me an e mail to let me know if that would be alright,to give me permission.It would be gratefully appreciated,thankyou,
Charlie
I understand your point and the whole idea of it all. But, I just posted about how bad a job Bloomberg is doing for New York City in relation to the NYT article about his 24% approval rate. So, in comparing what we are faced with now, Clinton seems like a great alternative. I think you said it best:
“The fact that current Mayor Michael Bloomberg has managed to alienate 90% of the citizens and that he may have no other serious challengers in 2005 doesn’t bode well for my theory.”
Clinton’s reception in Harlem, where his law offices are located, for example, demonstrates that he is likely to take a large portion of the African-American vote if he were to run for mayor.
Plus, his charismatic nature and the fact that NYC is largely liberal and largely Democratic is sure to factor in bigtime. Try and find any similarities between Bloomberg and the people of New York City.
You don’t have to rethink your take on the issue, but you may want to consider the possibility of hearing about Mayor Bubba.
I agree with some of your sentiments, Anthony, but I have a sincere hope that, inspite of his alleged popularity in the black community, the people of NYC will just plain know better.
Actually, I have to take you to task for the sentencs on finding similarities between Bloomberg and the people. Yes, I agree, the greater number of people in NYC tend to be liberals. And, what has Mike done in the year he’s been in office? Applied political correct attitudes to the recreational habits of the people (the smoking ban) and raised everyone’s taxes. That sounds pretty liberal to me.
As for Mayor Clinton, I’m afraid that if that were ever to happen, I would simply have to refuse to step within the confines of the city until he left office. I don’t think I could take the emotional shock of actually seeing that idiot as the Mayor of my favorite place on earth.
Of course, Mike still has time to turn things around. Remember, people didn’t like the way Rudy did things at first, either.
I think the Clinton’s believe they are Christ re-incarnated on the American people. There is nothing these infidels won’t do or say to get attention. Bill can only win large office if there are THREE candidates, it seems. I do feel very much ashamed as to how such a large segment of the public could even take these idiots seriously. I will never change my mind from the fact that the Clintons care about one thing: the Clintons!! When will we ever be rid of these awful people?! Just get them out of any office. They are a blight upon the land!
Ron, you hit it square on the head. What I fail to understand, after all the years of crap this nation’s had to take from these two, it that there are still people out there who don’t get it. How do you look at the record of these two and support them, no matter what your politics might be? It’s truly baffling to me.
Joe,
I found this on the hollywood halfwit site, and I think it pretty much describes our thoughts on “Billary”. The truth is, I think, that most of the morons caught up in the hoopla don’t care about who or what is running the country. They go about their business day by day, collecting their checks (that will always be there, of course). I mean actual paychecks also. Americans are always looking for someone to look up to, to make them feel good about their own laziness and lack of drive, being subject to and giving in to the temptations of the flesh, and not achieving anymore than the daily grind. We have denegrated into a nation of followers that will listen intently to the pied piper, but not lift a finger to help ourselves achieve any more than, as I said, the daily grind.
“Indeed, it seems the fascination with Hillary is just a hand-me-down from Bill. That’s certainly the lesson of all this book hoopla. Nobody cares about her ideas on health care. There’s no buzz about her views on national security. No one gives a rat’s patoot about her views on anything at all really–except, that is, her views on her husband.”
What about the new CD “I Need U” by Steve Perry. What! “The Voice” put out a new CD! Don’t get too excited! Come to find out, it’s not the same Steve Perry from Journey, yet he’s selling his CD on the web (not in stores)without showing a picture of the artist nor giving any background info., yet it links him to Steve Perry (Journey.
Talk about personal gain!!!!
I caught a minute or two of Bill O’Reilly’s radio show yesterday and he was saying how SUV’s tore up the roads because they are heavy – thus should be taxed more (or something like that).
Funny how nobody realizes that the old “boats” weighed upwards of 3500+ pounds (a little more than my SUV – a midsize). Then there are the trash trucks, oil delivery trucks etc. etc. Most roads are made (or should be) to handle that type of heavy vehicle, but SUV’s are automatically blamed for tearing up roads!
to start off i would like to say the legitimacy of you article is tryed when you begin it with “anti-suv groups led by BLOW HARDS”, Im dont know if you know this but slander does not make you sound very educated. in regards to your article I have several points I would like to make, when you mock the idea of oil money going to terrorists remember that the bin laden family yes osama’s family has very heavy ties in middle easten oil which is sent to america to power these luxury vehicles. you also make a statement about your or other peoples oil consumption being none of my damn business, I disagree when your pollution is effecting my atmosphere and expelling green house gases which deplete my ozone, it becomes my business. I agree it is your or my right to own a vehicle that gets 10 miles per gallon, but we can not sustainably keep consuming such massive amounts of oil, and do it, call me a long hair or a blowhard, but i care about our environment and the ramifications of these gas hog vehicles. america does not need to depend on foreign oil, we need to research other sources of energy, there is nothing wrong with solar power, solar does not hurt anything except the pockets of these huge energy companies owners and ceos, and I guarantee they dont care even a little bit about your welfare. A small population of wealth does not deserve to use up all of our oil. people need to stop viewing the world so anthropocentricly and realize that the earth was not meant only for humans, although creation stories may lead us to believe the world is ours we must realize our abuse on the plantet is going to soon be irreprable if we keep consuming at the rate we do.
im not saying anything you have said in your article is wrong, i just think it is about time these Ann Coulter like thoughts need to be put to bed, thank you for hearing my side.
please respond my e-mail address is zaneran@hotmail.com
Zane: Calling someone a blowhard is not “slander.” Besides, Huffington is a blowhard. At the time she started spouting off about SUV’s last year, she refused to explain her own travel on privately-owned jets. You can’t have it both ways.
The only other point I have to make is this: you need to lighten up. Please re-read the piece I wrote. It’s satire. It’s a joke. My point is not about all the environmental issues you bring up, but how the nanny-state government acts in a certain situation. You completely missed the point of what I was getting at.
And don’t get me started on oil. There exists oil reserves available to this nation that would supply us for centuries, if not longer. But we can’t get at them because of environmental restrictions. We don’t need middle-eastern oil. And we can get all we need from the oceans and the Alaskan plains without “destroying” anything, despite what the environmental chicken littles tell you.
Oh, and one other thing: before you criticize how much education I have (multiple Bachelor’s degrees, in case you’re interested), please learn proper spelling, grammar and capitalization. One of my degrees is in English Education, and if I had to grade your comment, you would have failed.
Congratulations on all the hits! I always stop to check you out several times a week….I have several others sites of individuals that I read, but you are the best writer and confirm most of my opinions! Not that I’m not open minded, but mostly I do like to read thoughts on my side of the fence..
Graham and all the dems are grasping at straws huh…I sorta love to watch the show. Howard Dean is turning out to be a mad man and Dickie Gephardt recently threatened to overrule the Supreme Court if he were president. Now thats so loony that I like it!!! Vote Anarchy…Vote Democratic!!! ha ha
Keep up your good stuff Joe….I bought a new computer and you’ll be on the ‘favorites’ on that one too… Dick D….Sheboygan, Wi
Bogie: Thanks! I knew I could count on you for a nice comment.
Dick: Thank you, too! It warms my heart to know I’m reaching folks out there, whether they agree with me or not. Don’t worry about not being open minded all the time. Few of us really are. Blogs would be boring if we all agreed with each other. Besides, it tweaks the libs…
What a beautiful story of remembrance. My brother in law had esophageal cancer too, and waged the same fight; and died a little over 2 years ago. My sister and my mom fought it with him. Things do come in three’s, because my mom and dad are now gone too. But, like you, I think upon all of them each day, so as not to forget. Your last observation is the most poignant, since I too saw the fact that we all want to go home at the end…the draw of familiarity and loved ones never leaves us. Thanks for your tribute. Dick D
Dick: Thanks, too. Esophageal cancer is a terrible thing, and not as well-known as other forms. I have the deepest sympathy for anyone who has to fight it.
MR BARRY WHITE,
I belive your music is one when it comes to violin,bass,guitar,and one Barry tone voice. I was shocked when I heard your death’cause I thought I was dreaming,Wow! what a sad day,we all got prize to pay in this crazy world. Barry,you turned mylife world around when it comes to music and your music is incomparable’cause you’re the First,the Last and everything. My greetings to all your families,May God continue to bless them…Amen
Spike Lee is now demanding a cut of the profits from the Robert E. Lee Memorial, from Leapy Lee’s 1968 hit Little Arrows, and from Sara Lee Incorporated. Moreover, he is demanding the entire pre-profit gross revenues of
Sara Lee’s Pie Crusts. Said his lawyer,
“Lee, Spike crusts? It’s an outrage. If the sounds all fit, they must remit.”
I would have to say that Coco Crisp is the best outfielder we have right now! well an jody!
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If you think that this article is accurate then you’re a complete idiot….If you want the true story, you should have asked. You went into this with no facts to mock my mom.
My mom has been employed since day one. She made enough money she didn’t have to work nine to five like you. She has ideas of her own and never had to go online to write up crap that isn’t true about someone she doesn’t know.
If you want to know what really happened then ask. Just get the story straight before you bash my mom.
You can piss at me all you like, but everything I said in this bit was based on what was printed in the newspapers. If you followed the links embedded in the story, you would have been able to figure that out for yourself.
I’m not bashing you mother. I could care less what your mother does, but her story sure sounds both silly and designed to milk the whole issue. That’s not my problem; that’s hers. Since I’m permitted to have my opinion about what people do, I can say any damn thing I want about what your mother does. If she doesn’t want people to make comments on the things she does, she should saty out of the papers.
Just thought that people might like to know where Beanie and Cecil originally came from. My aunt Virginia Sublette Shows had five children very close in age. One day she took a sock and buttons and sewed up Cecil and then Beanie. The other characters followed suit.
I don’t know where Cecil came from but Beanie came from my cousin who refused to stop wearing a beanie hat with a propeller on it and so they nicknamed him Beanie. John was the name of her father, John Sublette, Senior and also her brother, John Sublette, Junior.
My aunt’s husband was Charles Shows a cartoonist who worked for Bob Clampett.
Wow Cecil and Beanie are not forgotten. I watched almost every episode of the original puppet show. I believe if I remember well, that Cecil had a deep voice with a Bronx type accent. One day on the air, his eye fell off and he had one eye through out that episode. That I remember as plain as day. I would love to see that show again, so I could relate. Thank you for keeping them alive.
Robert Quintana
You are a very good and very funny writer. I own about 30 Cecil & Beanie original animation cels and lineart, and I believe they came from the 60’s series. I was told there was an 80’s series as well. Do you know if this is true, and do you know where the best place to sell these pieces of art would be?
Thanks for livening up my morning and bringing back childhood memories! Every now and then I will spurt out a phrase that came from that show and my kids and grandkids just look at me; they have no idea who beanie and cecil are! what a shame. There was just something about the cartoons of our generation, they just had an appeal that doesnt fade away easily. Thanks for keeping one of our favorite shows alive. Wish they would bring it back again!
Thanks to all of you who enjoyed this bit. As Diane mentioned, sometimes just hearing a name or phrase will remind you of things like the old ‘toons, and that’s basically how I got the idea for this. Those of you who browse the site will see that I have a particlar fondness for some of these old shows.
I have an original cecil stuffed animal (he’s bendable) given to me as a christmas present when I was a Kid. It’s in excellent shape. Where can I find out what it’s worth?
I’ve only been to Jacksonville a handful of times, but I vividly remember eating shrimp by the bucket (along with drinking ice cold buckets o’ beer) at Singleton’s Seafood Shack where, suprisingly, they had some pretty good barbeque, too.
P.S. Would you please change my blogroll name from “Boogie” Blog to “Bogie” Blog. I wouldn’t want people mis-lead into thinking it’s a blog about 70’s dancing!
Bogie: fixed. I would like to see you and the spouse doing a bit of boogie every now and then.
Glenn: when you get to be my age, it gets worse. They grow, so you wind up looking like you need a bra. I think Kramer and Mr. Costanza had a good idea with the “bro.” No! It’s the “Manssire”!
Yeah, the conflicting health information is confusing, but I just don’t buy the one about drinking too many liquids. It’s hard to grasp the scientific basis for that one.
You know…too much of anything is bad, even plain old water, whether you’re running six miles a day or eating six donuts a morning. Proposing that everyone stop exercising is ludicrous, and you can avoid drawing unfounded conclusions like that if you don’t worry about individual crackpot studies by the brits or whoever…and read up on things put out by wonderful people like the Surgeon General every few years. Also, you should have included that starting exercising at a young age increases resilience to things like adult onset diabetes.
Bogie: Click the “Bus Boys” link in the piece. It’s the All Music Guide link to the album, and you should be able to order it via Barnes and Noble. Check Amazon, too, they might have it a bit cheaper. I’m still playing my tape, which I’m going to have to replace with the CD eventually.
Great piece man, i was surfing the net looking for some info on ‘that cool band from 48 hours’.Last time i watched the movie i waited for the credits to roll to get the bands’ name, and now with the info you have given me, im armed with enough knowledge to buy the album!
Cheers
Eu. Hollywood is like a Comedy of Horrors, not Errors. This whole thing–Liz, Jacko (sounds like a horror movie char.), Liza, Davey-boy, Judy Garland-as-gay-idol–it all stinks of social psychoses.
If he is psychic, why didn’t he know that you wrote it as satire, not as truth? He shouldn’t have even had to look at your site’s manifesto if he’s as talented as he claims.
Kenn: Sorry, pal, no way. This guy charges $100 for an e-mail reading. If the Iron Horse wants to let me know how he’s doing, I figure he’ll call. In fact, if I do hear from him, I’m going to get a little worried about me.
And that would be why I pay someone to work on my truck!
Hey, the Sox have to get lucky every once in a while. Otherwise they couldn’t get their fan’s hopes up just to smash them to smithereens at the end of the season!
No, the Angels aren’t the Red Sox. It took only 42 years for them to win it ALL, not double that (let’s see… 85 yrs since a Red Sox Series Champion).
Nothing against the Sox, but Anaheim will be back. Too many injuries this year.
Oakland will lose Tejada, and in a couple yrs probably all their big three pitchers to teams willing to spend money.
As for Seattle, they’re getting older, and in a year or so that will be in full effect.
FACT: Even ignoring any/all of the above- No fluke if you win three sets of series and don’t give up with a five-run deficit and eight outs left. A title is for the year in question. As of last October, which team was the best? Pitching or clutch hitting, the Angels. It’s not how many playoffs you get into (see Mariners, Indians), it’s if you win it all when you get the rare chance.
Almost a year later (although I remember the game in question as though it were yesterday), Trevor D.’s comment about the Mariners’ encroaching age turns out to have been downright prophetic. They are definitely Ancient Mariners (apologies to Coleridge) this season.
As for last year’s Angels, the problem was not having to overcome 2-0 or 3-0 deficits but the 5-0 or 6-0 deficits their starters were spotting him. (The Appier debacle in question marked the end of his shaky Anaheim tenure; he was released the very next day, then pitched briefly for the Royals before being sidelined by the elbow injury the Angels suspected him of concealing.)
As for the A’s, questionable free-agent signings and non-signings–to say nothing of Billy Beane’s rampaging ego and a dubious organizational philosophy–have taken their toll. Say what you like about the 2002 Angels, they didn’t cough it up in the clinching game of the first round as the A’s have done–repeatedly–for three years.
Right on! Its about time someone stood up to this RIAA Crusade! You’re points are well taken, too. They need to evolve to provide what consumers want… namely high-quality portable music without all the hassles that these for-fee services come with.
I’m surprised Pac Bell is the first ISP to fight back against the RIAA for it’s customers privacy. The other ISPs just rolled over for the RIAA. That’s just disturbing.
Thanks for the support and the link to the essay your wrote about a similar experience.
When Schmidt appeared on Hannity and Colmes, a Fox News entertainment program, I believe he placed himself in the public eye — and open to public criticism. I also believe that since the Amber Frey photos are on virtually every news Web site, I have the right to use them in a artistic parody.
I find Schmidt and the photos to be deserving of lampoon. I don’t think that anyone would find the made up story convincing.
A think I’ll do another in which he consults British psychic Craig Hamilton-Parker to channel the spirits of Clarence Darrow and Melvin Belli for legal advice.
Fritz:
Heh. At least your guy appeared on Hannity and Colmes. Mine’s across the ocean, which means I may never get to see him.
Even better for your new idea, although some may find this in bad taste: have Craig channel the spirit of Lacey Peterson, and have he call out her husband for screwing Amber. I mean, this ghoul Hamilton-Parker has already convinced people he channels Princess Di. Why not more tastelessness? Unfortunately, it might give him an idea for his next TV special.
This could explain the 15 people I found in my laundry room today. In an interesting twist, they were all wearing mismatched socks . . . I sense a greater conspiracy at work here.
Believe me, Joe – working in Human Resources for the last 6 years… FMLA is becoming the bain of my existance. I hear complaints on a daily basis that “6 weeks (the standard amount of maternity leave for a ‘normal’ delivery) is not enough time, etc. Which I’m sure it’s not but then they complain about not being able to take the unpaid leave that is made available because, being in NY, can not afford it. But, like you said, planning could help… I’m sure!
Mo: ah, my beautiful sister-in-law…I kind of had a feeling you’d rant about this.
You know, people might read what I wrote and say I’m being unfair because of how expensive it is to have a child. But, I seem to recall that Kel and I were pretty “broke” when we had Kaitie, at least in the respect of the amount of money we were making. (I would guess our combined incomes were well under 40K per year before taxes). And, we really wanted to have a baby, and we knew if we thought we couldn’t afford it, we’d never be able to afford it.
The answer to the problem is taxes. If we weren’t assaulted with taxes the way we are in this country, maybe more mothers could stay home with their new babies, and we wouldn’t need the FMLA.
Some people with children act like the rest of the country owes them all kinds of stuff for the “good of the children.” So, when they take off work, who is required to take their place? Me, the childless one. I’m am EXPECTED to do overtime or whatever it takes to get the work done, while they are not. I can deal with that.
But, now they want to whine about not getting paid leave. I will insist that I get some paid leave too, to regain my sanity!
MT: I don’t have one, unfortunately. The information I used is based on this quote in the linked story:
“California was the first to pass such a law in 2002, and three other states — Hawaii, Montana and Connecticut — passed paid leave bills this year.”
If I find something, I’ll pass it along.
The only part where I might quibble with you is in the last paragraph:
When all is said and done, guess which one won’t be attacked by some virus or worm?
My personal feeling is that as Linux gains wider acceptance, it’s going to present a fatter target, and more appealing to mentality of the virus writer.
Why write a virus that’s going to affect only a few unpatched systems. Right now, Linux is in the domain of the geeks (like myself) who do watch for security updates, and make patches as necessary.
But, as acceptance grows wider, then I think you will see what we have with Windows; namely home users who don’t have the awareness to patch their systems.
Also, I think that Linux on the desktop won’t really take off until they truly innovate. Right now, most of the apps are playing catch-up to Microsoft. Evolution, the last I looked, was as near a clone of Outlook as you could possibly make.
It does seem like there’s quite a reaction to this movie, which isn’t out yet, and none of the people commenting upon it have seen.
It seems to me that it’s ridiculous to assume that this movie will provoke anti-semetic feelings in people. First of all, it’s in Latin and Aramaic. Most people who are likely to go to such a movie are profoundly unlikely to become an angry mob. Also, it seems clear to me from the story of Christ’s crucifixion that Jews, as a group, are any more responsible for it than anyone else. There were Romans involved in His execution as well, but no one says that this movie will provoke anti-italian sentiment.
I agree with your contentions completely. This is the rusult, I’m afraid, of the attempt to revise history in everything. I’m not saying that the Rabbi’s contentions about the Biblical authors are wrong, but unless someone has conclusive proof that the historical events or details took place differently, we need to be willing to accept what’s there.
Another point I didn’t think of until right now: those who accept the story as written aren’t looking at laying blame to any one group of people, anyway. Wasn’t everything that happened to Jesus part of prophesy, something that’s also part of our faith? Wouldn’t the result have been the same, no matter who was responsible?
Exactly. Jesus died for everyone’s sins. Presumably, he would have been killed wherever he had lived and by whoever the authorities were at that place and time.
I’m glad I stumbled upon your article; it’s very well-written and brings up some very valid points. In the end, of course, I agree. Once the film is shown let’s critique it. It’s also prudent to be cautious about using the term “anti-semetic” so eagerly. Using it to describe a film that could be misinterpreted in such a way (as all art can be) is a gross injustice to the true nature of anti-semitism, which is pure hatred against the Jews. I think it’s obvious that this is not a goal of Mel Gibson or this film.
In your opening paragraph you state, “For a movie that isn’t finished and has only been seen by a few people outside its creators, Mel Gibson’s The Passion is raising the ire of a lot of people, most of whom are blindly accusing Gibson and the film of being anti-semitic.
While I’m sure there are those who “blindly” accuse Mr. Gibson of atisemitism, I hope to show that it is you who that is “blindly” unaware of the history that surrounds this issue. Secondly, I hope to turn the tables. If you regard cries of antisemitism as an unfounded, knee-jerk reaction, I hope to show that your concern that, and i quote, “…this is just more Catholic bashing” is of the same ilk.
Firstly, and as an aside, I had to chuckle at your statement in the second paragraph of your post…”With all due respect to the Rabbi and Jews everywhere in the world…” This is particularly humorous in that, as you are aware, one of the often used politically correct responses to the debate regarding who killed Jesus, goes something like this…Just because some Jews were involved to some degree, there is no basis to apply that involvement to all Jews throughout their generations. Why didn’t you say “With all due respect to Rabbi”? Why did you go on to say “…and Jews everywhere in the world”? Are you making the same mistake, assuming that “Jews everywhere” share the same sentiment as the Rabbi. Just an aside, I thought it was quite ironic. Moving along…
After you raised the spectre of “catholic bashing”, you went on to site examples from the Rabbis article. So, lets see what you take issue with, lets see what criteria is laid to support your allegation of Catholic bashing.
Your first citation of the Rabbi was thus…
For 2,000 years the narrative of the New Testament about Jewish responsibility for the crucifixion has been one of the main ingredients in fomenting anti-Semitism. The churches – Catholic and Protestant – have propagated the notion of the Jews as Christ-killers who are therefore forever consigned to be the pariahs of humankind and whose suffering is punishment for their never-to-be-forgiven crime.
Is this catholic bashing? Of course not, this is verifiable, biographical history. If you are unaware of this history, then I’m afraid it is you that is “blindly” accusing those who criticize Gibson of catholic bashing. For example, the Rabbi indicated that from the earliest times, the “church fathers’” writings contained antisemitic statements. I would go further and say these remarks were vehemently antisemetic. In addition, the Rabbi indicated that early church fathers from Tertullian to Augustine made these statements. Did you bother to verify this? It’s easily verifiable. Is this catholic bashing? Of course not, it’s history. Could it be that someone who is unaware of this history, yet regards it’s recitation as catholic basing is really the one who is blindly accusing people? But wait a second, the Rabbi said this has happened over 2000 years. Are there really more historically verifiable examples of christian antisemetism? Of course. Lets move ahead to St. Constantine and his remarks at the famed Council of Nicea. As I’m sure you know, one of the highly contentious debates at Nicea was the date the newly declared state religion would celebrate Easter. I’m sure you know that Easter was celebrated at various dates by the various christian communities of the day. But lets make a long story short and paraphrase Constantine’s concluding remarks at Nicea. “Let us not worship as the odious jews…” Yet another example of antisemitism. We’re now in the 4th century. I could go on giving specific examples throughout the centuries of christian antisemtism. But this is not a thesis, and I have life. So, I would encourage you to research the matter for yourself, and review the Rabbi’s statement. I mention the early church fathers and Constantine to make a point. Antisemetism is evident in the church at the earlies foundational levels. If the early church fathers and Constantine are not early enough or foundational enough, then I encourage you to read St. Paul’s epistles. St. Paul’s manuscripts contain blatantly antisemetic remarks. For example, in regard to the jews and the circimcision knife (actually used to cut the skin), Paul hopes the knife slips. It’s in your New Testament. I’m not going to go on throughout the centuries, I’ll leave that to you if you’re interested in the subject. But, in order to get us through the 2000 years mentioned by the Rabbi, I will bring us to 1965. You see, it was in 1965 that the Catholic Church, publically and verifiably, agreed to “…remove the vestiges of antisemetism from the Catholic liturgy.” What was this antisemitism that even the Catholic Church acknoledged? One example, one of the prayer for the jews referred to them as “perfidious jews”. It took nearly 2000 years for the Catholic Church to remove such language from their liturgy. Between Constantine and 1965 we have Crusades, Inquisitions, passion plays, Jewish ghettos…the list goes on and on. I think if you were to actually research the history of that envelopes the Gibson controversy, the criticism of the movie might be more meaningful to your 21st century sensibilities. But the point is, the Rabbi wasn’t catholic bashing, he gave a broad description of actual history.
Now, what was the foundation of all this antisemetism? It’s exactly as the Rabbi said. The blood lible charge, the charge of deicide against the Jews is the foundation of it all. Now you might say, “Hey, that blood lible charge is historical, it’s in the New Testament. Lets be specific, you regard the NT as historical based on spiritual reasons. That is, you have no inherent knowledge of it’s biographical history. Did you know that the earliest manuscripts we have are copies of what we call the originals and that they are no older than the 3rd and 4th centuries. The canon, whether protestant or catholic contains no original manuscripts. It is widely accepted in scholarly circles that the christian copyists added to and redacted these manuscripts. Since your belief is based on faith, I know you will never be persuaded of this. But a simple point. It is not catholic bashing to say the bible is not historical. It is a scholarly position based on research and scientific method.
A brief example, we all know that crucifixion was the Roman punishment for crimes against the state. Jesus was charged as a subversive, a King of the Jews and he died a Roman punishment for his crimes against the Roman State. Lets take a look at these “Jews” the NT implicates in Jesus’ death. First a bit of historical background. Jerusalem was under Roman occupation at the time of Jesus. In fact, revolutionary fervor was rampant and messianic expectations were fever-pitched. The atmosphere was exposive and violent. The Roman occupiers appointed jews to clerical and civic positions in Jerusalem. These appointments were very lucrative for these Jews. You need to understand that these Roman appointed lackeys viewed Jesus as a threat to their well being…monetarily as well as militarily. Furthermore, these lackeys acted as spies. Reporting to the Roman authorities any signs of sedition by the Jews. On the other hand, the Jews of Jerusalem not only hated the Roman occupiers, and some of them (the Sicarii) would slit their throats at any opportunity) they hated their Roman appointed Pharisees too. You see, popular Judaism supported Jesus, it did not reject Jesus. So why the blood lible charge? The irony is, that some 300 years after the Romans and their appointed traitors murdered Jesus, the very Roman state that killed a Jewish Messiah, adopted Him as their god. What better way to absolve the government that murdered God from the crime than to revise history in documents that it and it alone had control of? I know you will find this offensive. But I can assure you this isn’t Catholic bashing. To assume it is, is to act “blindly”
I’m going to end this post by addressing your references to Pius XII and the Holocaust. I’ll begin the address by asking, why is that when someone implicates Christianity in the horrors of the Holocaust, there is a default reference to Pius XII and WWII? I’ll leave that debate to the apologists have no regard for the truth. IT has absoulutely NO impact on the implication of the church. A simple point follows…
If I were to say to you things like, Jews were forced to sell their property, not allowed to have jobs, horded into ghettos and locked up, and forced to wear badges identifying them as Jews…you might have a knee-jerk reaction to point out how many Jews Pius XII saved, or some other apologetic material. But I wonder, do you know that all this occurred centuries before Adolph Hitler and Pius XII were born? I recommend that you read the papal bull “Cum Nimus Absurdum”. This is, in my opinion, the most vehemently antisemetic Church document ever written. Within two weeks after it was written by a Roman Bishop or Pope, a Jewish ghetto was built within eye-sight of the Vicars palacial estate. And, everything I mentioned above was inflicted upon Jews…including the badges to identify them as non-Christians. You see, this wasn’t a Nazi ideal, it’s foundations were established centuries (15th century) earlier.
I could go on and on. But,I’m going to wrap this up by saying I don’t necessarily think Mel Gibson, you, or anyone else for that matter is antisemitic. But I do object to broad claims of “Catholic bashing” by those who accuse the Christianity of antisemtism and a role in the Holocaust. Personally, I think most people are unaware of the history regarding this debate, and react to it without knowing many of the facts that lie beneath the surface. Furthermore, I think you fall into that category, and ironically, you are responsible for doing what you accuse others of…”blindly accusing”. Not intentionally or out of spite, but the end result is the same.
By the way, I am niether Jewish, Christian, or Atheist. I don’t have any agenda in regard to Gibson’s film. The only objection I have is when portrayals based on the NT are characterized as historical, simply because they were canonized.
Well I am to judge the film with my own eyes and ears. Jesus has always been a point of contention with us, and I think we need to get over it. I am more concerned about liberals who would drastically change the US foreign policy concerning Israel, than Right Wing Christians, who seem to have accepted Jews as brothers without the need to convert us.
Sin is why Jesus died on the cross. It’s my fault as it is everyone’s fault (except for Jesus and Mary who were sinless) that the Son of God was nailed to the cross. But in re-reading what I just typed, I can say, that there is no ‘FAULT’ here. It was God’s grace that was present on Calvary.
No one seems to be talking about this. It’s all about anti-semitism or being too violent. I need a reminder everyday of the details of Christ’s sufferings. For instance, I know that when He was nailed to the Cross, His Body was in a position that wouldn’t allow him to breath without struggle. Every moment was a new pain in cycles. I believe he would slunk down in exhaustion, only to be unable to breathe – then he would have to press down with his hands and feet on the nails that tore him – this would give him a brief moment to catch a breath; pain and exhaustion would send him back into that cycle.
I wish I could yell to the world, “It’s not about us!”, and I think that anyone who would direct their anger from seeing this movie, or better yet, reading The Dolorous Passion, at others instead of themselves truly needs to re-examine their faith. Sin is the antagonist, here.
In 1998 and again in 2000 the Catholic Church apologized for its sins agains Jewish people. Including spreading the LIE that Jesus was killed by Jewish people. It is irresponsible of any uneducated person on these matters to broadcast their “point” of view, and it is shameful of powerful indivduals like Mel Gibson to do so. This movie will cause the death of at least one innocent person–hatefull propaganda always does.
Regarding comments by anonymous:Keep in mind that just because a posting appears authoritative and factually detailed doesn’t make it so.
Much of what is presented represents an interpretation of material,not established fact,from a viewpoint that is far from the mainstream. Some assertions are simply untrue, such as the statements that it is widely accepted in scholarly circles that the Bible is not historical, or that Paul is obviously anti-semetic.That anti-semetism has been a part of christian and western history is undeniable but it is not an inherent and intrinsic characteristic of christianity or christian culture.
The papal bull cited (actually “Cum nimis absurdum”) issued during the height of the Inquisition is contrasted with several bulls issued before and after exonerating the Jewish people from culpability. Should German culture be characterized by Hitler and the Nazis or Russian culture by Ivan the Terrible?
The point I want to make is that while we can’t exhaustively research everything we are told, we do have a responsibility to determine for ourselves what is true for issues of importance.
I agree with amonymous that you can read Paul’s writings for yourself to decide if they are anti-semetic.
I’ve always liked Mel Gibson and can’t really believe he would intentionally make this film for the purpose of promoting antisemitism and the middle ages myth of the “blood libel”. But nonetheless, if Mel is truly as interested as he is quoted as saying that this film is based on historical fact, then why not us the opportunity to expose the “blood libel” for the 1700 year old lie that it is.
On the other hand one does have to consider his father, Hutton Gibson who is a notorious Holocaust denier and who claims the the World Trade Center was destroyed by remote control and not by al Queda; that the Second Vatican Council was a Masonic plot backed by the Jews and that all popes going back to John XXIII have been illegitimate “anti-popes”.
No one is resolving this debate through historical fact or reasoned logic simply because the Christianity is a faith, not a reasoned philosophy. Christians apparently continue to believe that Jesus somehow was not Jewish, and that the Jews killed him. Nor for those of the Jewish faith, does the context of this movie really matter at this point, because is is being promoted as a movie that graphically blames Jews for the death of Christ. For non-christians, the popularity of this movie will be proof of the in-grain anti-semitism is all christians. In practice, Mel Gibson has done a very great disservice to christians everywhere; regardless of content, the movie’s popularity will give non-christians just cause to hate.
Dr. Morgan, your arguments are completely specious. I’m a Catholic, and I see my belief in God and Jesus as both faith and a guiding philosophy. The very word “Christian” implies that those who believe in the word of Christ takes his word as a philosophical basis for their belief.
As for what we believe about Jesus’ faith, we certainly do know that he was Jewish. There are multiple passages in Scripture where he is referred to as “Rabbi” and “teacher,” and his teaching in the temples are described in detail, as is the story of his attack on the merchants in the temple. Finally, the Last Supper was a Passover seder. So, to make the blanket accusation that Christians don’t know of Jesus’ religious roots is simply ridiculous.
There isn’t one promotion of this movie that I’m aware of that states “this is the story of how Jesus was killed by the Jews.” In fact, I don’t see how anyone can say (since as I write this, very few people have still seen the movie) that the movie “blames” anyone for anything. Let’s put this in secular terms: the movie tells a story, one that’s been part of a very popular book for hundreds and hundreds of years. Over those hundreds of years, there have been arguments and discussions and differences, even among Christians, about the very nature of this story. But that’s what’s being presented here: the pictorial depiction of a story.
As for “in-grain”ed anti-semitism, I really don’t know where you get this. Yes, I’m certain there are Christian people who hate Jews. There are also Christian people who hate blacks, hispanics, asians, and anyone else who isn’t white and Christian. You will find may of these people in white supremacy groups on the distant fringes of logical Christian belief. They don’t represent the beliefs of the majority of Christians. In fact, you will probably find some Jews who feel the same way about people who aren’t Jews, but they don’t represent the Jewish people as a whole, either.
And, most importantly, you’re blanket accusation that this film will give Christians “cause to hate” is way off the mark as well. Christians, by definition, are directed not to hate, and in fact the subject of this film taught us the philosophy (yes, his Word is philosophy) of “turning the other cheek.” The very fact that Christ was hung on the cross, as I stated in an eralier post, wasn’t because of Jews or any other people; it was prophisized and is something we believe was destined by God to occur no matter what.
I believe the problem with your opinions and others who have posted here is that you’re taking an ancient story of people of an ancient time, people who acted very differently then we do now, and trying to place it in a modern context. You simple cannot place the actions, beliefs, and history of people who lived 2000 years ago into the framework of how we live, think or believe in modern times. The Christians of Jesus’ time didn’t know they were Christians; many were Jews who chose to follow Jesus or Gentiles who had no faith and who determined that this man was the Messiah and followed him.
If you think there is bigotry and hatred in the modern world, all you have to do is read the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37). People tend to think of this just as a story about kindness to others, but it was Jesus’ way if indicting the highest among the people (the “priest” and the Levite, both important in the temples of the day, both part of higher society, and both of whom passed the wounded man on the road) and showing how someone normally despised by the people of the region (the Samaritan) wound up being the one to help the stranger. By this story alone and our faith in its point, your blanket accusation that Christains are anti-semitic and that this movie will stir that up such feelings just don’t hold water.
The point of the movie (and one I can only assume, since like most people I haven’t seen it yet) is supposed to be the suffering of Jesus in the last hours of his life. If anything, many people, Christians and non-Christians, will probably find the movie disturbing not because of who executed Jesus but because of how he suffered. This was a form of death that many experienced in that time, and to watch it occur in all its violence will not be easy for anyone to take. My belief is that Christains will come out with a better understanding of Jesus’ suffering and that the film will likely reinforce their belief in the concept that he suffered because we sinned. But, that suffering won’t be something abstract, something we just see in the model of a Crucifix in our churches or read about in the Bible. This movie supposedly will bring it to a level we rarely consider. I believe it will bring a greater understand to us of how and why he died, which to us is far more important than under whose hand.
I just think that this movie “THE PASSION” is a GREAT idea for a movie, mostly because the movie shows the actual brutality of the crucifixtion. I think that Ron Howard is PURE EVIL for even considering to make a movie BASHING Jesus Christ and his crucifixtion for our sins. I am only 15 years of age and i still know and STRONGLY believe that Jesus Died on the cross to forgive us of our sins. as i made a great confession only 2 Sundays ago i shall repeat what i said that Sunday:
I believe that Jesus is the Christ the only Son of the living God my LORD and my SAVIOR. AMEN
all who believes this please support this Movie it is a great movie.
Joe,
Before you call an argument specious, read what was actually said. I said that “Christianity is a faith, not a reasoned philosophy” A faith is, according to most dictionaries, “an unquestioning faith” and by your own statement that is what you have. But a “reasoned philosophy” is not the same as a “guiding philosophy”.A reasoned philosophy is one that is based on questioning assumptions and is flexible to change when those assumptions prove false. While you may hold Christianity as a guiding philosophy, because you accept as a matter of faith, your philosophy by definition can not be reasoned.
Secondly, there are churches, at least in my community of Contra Costa, who are promoting Gibson’s movie as a passion play. zThey purport to quote Gibson about this movie providing the truth about the Passion of Jesus. The traditional definition of a passion play, as promoted by the Roman Catholic church, is a re-enactment of the death of Jesus. The standard example is the play of Oberammergau, Baveria. Until 1967, that play was bill as “Jesus’s death at the hands of the Jews”.
The most important point you missed is that I did not say that this movie will cause anyone to hate; as you pointed out very few people actually know what is in the movie. What I said is that the movies popularity will give NON-CHRISTIANS just cause to hate.
What little I do know of the movie is that anti-semitism is hidden deep within it’s context. According to last night’s Dateline, anti-semetic segments of the new testament, which refers to Jews as perfidious, are heard in the dialogue of the movie; and while that dialogue will not be in English, Gibson will not remove it because in his view it is truth.
At this point your reaction probally is that NON-Christians are just being overly sensitive. You do not believe that 2000 years of history matter; but they do. They matter because actions are more definitive of who a person or an organization is, rather then words. Your religion may boast of turning the other cheek; but your actions of burning people in the Inquistion, forcing people to convert then killing them immediately afterwards so they could not sin, (since conquest of the Caribs),molestation of children by priests,
and teaching for more then 1500 years in Catechism that Jews are responsible for the death of Christ speak louder of the organization.
The point I am making is that Non-christians have very good reasons to be very suspicious of Christians, and Catholics in particular. Yours is clearly a strong faith, but if you are still trying to defend Catholism as “reasoned philosophy”,look at the response of Erica Johns.Is she questioning the basic assumptions of her faith; does she even know them. She defines anyone who suggests an alternative view as ” pure evil”. For you and her the effect of this movie maybe to “will bring a greater understand to us of how and why he died” and that maybe more important then”under whose hand.”
But for the rest of us, the movie is also, apparently, defining whose hand killed Christ, and potentially inciting those like Erica who seem to be capable of repeating the atrocities of the past. If you were not a Christian would you trust Christians.
Joe:
I was with you until you got to the following part and i disagree with you on this:
“I would think, considering the events in the Middle East in recent years, and especially with the continuing terrorist pogrom against the Jewish state by the enemies with which it is surrounded, that our anger and dismay would be concentrated there, and not on a motion picture that almost no one has seen yet.”
i don’t think that you would call people that are defending their homeland is called terrorism (and am talking about palestinians in particular)….and it is the state of israel a terrorist state…Israel is a state that commits terrorism on a daily basis by killing innocent children, men and women.
here is an example (its really a proof)
In an interview with the famous Israeli journalist Amos Oz, Sharon says “if they instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million!”
“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don’t care. And I don’t mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminalÂ… What you lot
don’t understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.
“You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Â… Better a live Judeo-Nazi than
a dead saint.” Oz, Amos (1982) The Daily Davar. Dec. 17. He’s a psycho isn’t he Joe? now you ask yourself, would you support a person like that? .
Joe, I respect your views….but as a christian i feel like its my duty to inform you that the state of israel is a terrorist state and that not everything you see on tv is right….trust me, am a christian who lived that area and i know whats going on..
All: I find the controversy surrounding this movie disturbing in some ways but very encouraging in others. The truth of the matter is that Jewish people of that time did crucify Jesus Christ. He was Jewish, if you will recall, and no one is harder on you than your own clan. The remaining truth is that I also crucified Him, and so did you. We all do every day of our lives. There is a song that says, “Does He still feel the nails every time I fail?” Yes, He does. As a Christian, I don’t feel called upon to make my Jewish brothers and sisters feel guilty. Nor do I expect my non-Christian brothers and sisters to make me feel guilty because I believe. The interest generated by Gibson’s “Passion” is a good thing. It is a reminder of who Jesus is and what He did. I don’t expect to leave the theater and go out and bash the first Jewish person I meet. To do so would be to crucify my Savior all over again. Calvary didn’t lead to Auschwitz. Men led the way to the concentration camps, not Jesus.
Anti semitism started long before the Christian era. But how did anti-semitism start in the Christian community? Excluding the Bible, Jesus brother James was stoned by the Temple authorities for saying “something” they didn’t like. The Christian community was part of the Jewish community. Then came the BarKochba rebellion.The BarKochba followers persecuted the Christians. The Christians didn’t recognize Bar Kochba and were viewed as traitors to their Jewish roots. Of course, Bar Kochba was a fraud and the Romans cracked down even more on the jews. Then came the destruction of the temple. Most of the Christians left town before it all happened claiming they were supernaturally warned. The jews suspected that the Romans tipped the Christians off.(I don’t know what really the truth is there.) The Romans allowed the Jews a religious exemption from worshiping the emporer. Then the jews said the Christians aren’t part of us, which caused the Romans to persecute the Christians as a new cult that refused to worship the emporer. The church fathers were tortured some died, some minus limbs and eyes, and you would expect them to be nice about that? Who knew that Christianity was destined to take over the Roman world.The bad blood goes back a long way on both sides.
Mel Gibson’s hatred for English people shows in his other movies, Braveheart and The Patriot. How can he be a Christian and promote hatred against the English? After all, Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor. If Mel Gibson is an anti-Semite, it is no surprise. And since a genuine Christian cannot hate Jews, his father Hutton is certainly no Christian.
Julia,
Are you for real? You are judging two thousand year old event in modern morality, and on little written evidence? You are labling Christians as a community, when at the time they were probally no more then an a cult. A modern day equivilent would be the Mormans. Mormans are as christian as christians are Jewish; and the persecution of Mormans by American christians is very well documented.
If similar events were the cause of anti-semitism, there do christians still feel anti-mormanism today?
Back to the topic of the movie, it is not relevant where anti-semitism started, or who is anti-semetic today. If this movie is popular amoung christians, for whatever reasons; and if it contains any anti-semitism it will be the cause of NON-CHRISTIANS to dislike Christians. Currently the dislike of christians is causing enormous bloodshed around the world, especially amoung christian minorities. I know that you may not like the thought, but world-wide Christians are a minority, and in many places, (phillipines, middle east, africa) they are murdered because they are christians. The question this site should be pondering is whether the Mel Gibson movie will feed that effort?
Alright, everyone has a good point but when it comes to the part where those who think Jews killed Jesus got me a little bit confused in your explaination. Im not Jesus’s best friend or anything but i know for a fact Jews did not kill him; Romans did. There is even proof that Romans admit it. When people i knew left this movie, they told me that it showed a hidden hate of Jews. Come on, why would Mel Gibson produce a movie without strong evidence that who did what, and i hope it doesnt have to do with his dad being a holocaust denier. That would just lead most Jews to more hatred. Im not jewish, but i learn much about Jews. Their history of hate is more than i can believe. It seems everywhere they go, there is prejudice, and i think its because of bias thoughts that goes from person to the next. I feel bad, everywhere they go, they are not excepted because of the thought they called Jesus. And if you think Jesus was the messiah, and more hate is happening all over the world, then we are defiently not on the right track of bring the messiah again. Think what you want, but rememeber, your actions towards people if very effective so think twice.
Non…what in the world are you talking about?….i don’t understand you people…..so, you’re saying that making a movie on the suffering of the jews in the holocaust will promote hatred towards Germans?….people people people…Mel Gibson made a movie based on the Gospel….i bet you that if this movie portrayed the Romans (and only the romans) by themselves who crucified jesus i bet you that no one would be criticizing this movie (not even close to now at least)…..it is evident that the jews have great control of the U.S. to the point that you can’t even criticize Israel..and if you do you are labeled as antisemitic…it is so true and you can’t deny those facts….they even have great control of the media……one of the most important things in christianity is reading the bible and following it…and if you don’t believe what the bible says you are not a real christian..am sorry but you’re not….Now, As a christian Mel Gibson made a movie based on the Gospel..whats wrong with that?…now people on tv are mentioning that historians think that Jesus was crucified by the Romans and not the jews….in fact they told him that when they intervied him on a tv program….leave the guy alone people…he does not think that historians are right…he is a christian and as a christian he believes in the Bible and he made a movie based on the bible….
Dear Joseph,
I agree that it is sad that you fail to understand other people, and that you have so little knowledge of the New Testement, (which is not the Bible) that you believe Mel Gibson’s song and dance about this being a remake of the biblical account of Jesus’s death. Now that the movie is available to the public it is clear that it is a fictionaliztion(which means a story created by embellished a few facts) created by a person who was anti-semetic.Furthermore the depiction of thos of Jewish ancestory in this movie in not based on reality, rather on Jewish sterotypes which were created by the Tsars of Russia and repeated with a dramatic flair by Nazi’s ever since. Guess which catagory Mel seems to be falling into.
Finally, for those who still can not read, nobody is claiming that Jews will hate Christians. The Jews are not currently Christians, but NON-CHRISTIANS, (a group of which Jews are a small minority) are. This movie is being banned, or under consideration of being banned in a number of religiously diverse nations because of it’s potential to incite violence. The question all good christians should answer is whether that violence is justified by the anti-semitism of the movie.
“The question all good christians should answer is whether that violence is justified by the anti-semitism of the movie.”
The movie was not antisemetic in the least- actually the romans were portrayed in a much darker manner.
Remove chip from shoulder please- intolerance of other peoples differences and beliefs is what fuels anger and violence-
After seeing The Passion, I felt somewhat astonished. Being a Christian taking a ‘Lost’ person to the movie with me, I felt very upset after the movie…
Not that it was the movie that was affecting me, but the opinions of many other people. Here’s my point of view; if it’s accepted anywhere. Many people say that is is indefinitely Anti-Semitism involved, but I disagree. Why? The bible is considered fact in many ways, and by many people. There are Romans and Jews involved in the story of Christ’s Crucifixion. If you think about it, or even study it, half of the people killing Christ were Jews. If you look for answers in the bible you’ll find them, and I don’t go to a Christian Private School to study the Athiests theories. Take the Leviathan for example: The Athiest point of view was that Dinosarus existed thousands of years ago. The Bible tells us this; and then they found a Plesiosaur. All I can say is that many humans don’t understand the book of wisdom is just that. They overlook the records they refuse to accept.
So I believe that Mel Gibson has done a great job on this movie. I don’t like people that tell me what I want to hear, I like those who are honest. Honestly WILL hurt 90% of the time. So while many even believe Mel Gibson is forcing his beliefs on them, I have this to say:
“For those who make their own beliefs aren’t of God, but of Satan for wanting to deceive themself. The truth is given to us and we are to accept fact as it is. If you believe whatever you want, what would Christianity become? A living hell, that’s what.” I am merely sick of those who attack Mel Gibson, he is proving that he is a Godly man, and it’s obvious to true Christians that God has annointed him with the Holy Spirit. Those who hate others just for their race aren’t of God. At any rate, just keep in mind that there were indeed Jews killing Christ; and the story relays around the Romans and the Jews. The End.
Non: Far be it from me to correct someone else, but although the Romans inflicted the physical suffering on Jesus, it was Caiphas, a Jewish high priest, who pushed Pilate to bring about Jesus’s death. Pilate actually didn’t want to put Christ to death. It was Caiphas and the Sanhedrin who paid for the betrayal and the ultimate crucifixion. And Dr. Morgan, although the New Testament is not the entire Bible, it is a huge part of the Bible accepted by Christians across the world. True to my prediciton, I did not have the urge to go out and kill the first Jew I saw after leaving the movie on Ash Wednesday. And neither will anyone else with any sense.
I haven’t seen The Passion yet nor do I plan on seeing it. To me it looks like all the other Jesus movies the only difference being that it is in Aramic and that is is the most bloody and gory. I am waiting for someone to do a “realistic” movie about Jesus. If you look at the prophetic message in Isaih 53 Jesus would not have been a good looking man as is portrayed in the movie. Also the Bible says in Mathew, I believe that it is a disgrace for a man to have long hair so why would Jesus, a Jewish rabbi, have long hair? Also archeoligical data from that period would show that most people were in the 5 ft. range in height. I wish people would stop fantising about what they think Jesus was like and make a realistic movie about him. I would find it much more interesting than watching a six ft. tall hippy looking guy that looks like he’s posing for GQ magaine. Please!!! Is the public that stupid?
Yep Morgan I am real. The fact is the christians were a part of judaism for the first four hundred years. The council of Nicea is a fact to a dubious history. The BarKochba rebellion is a fact. The destruction of the Temple is a fact. Judaism was broken up into many sects back in Jesus time: the Zealots, the Essenes, Christians, Pharasees and Saducees. It was not a monolith. When the temple was destroyed the only two heirs rose from the ashes: Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity. I have decided that Christianity has followed the true line. Everyone is free to decide what they think. Mormonism on the other hand is a splinter group of Christianity, and originating in the 1850’s and an heir to nothing.
Doesn’t anyone ever ask the question: why did the jewish prophets fall silent, Jesus comes onto the scene(the new temple) and then shortly after his arrival the physical stone Temple is destroyed never to be rebuilt? hmm I heard an Orthodox jewish lady say in response to why the temple nolonger exists: In certain holy individuals the glory of God is inside them. They are the temple. That is correct. Okay now go into a catholic/eastern orthodox church. See the disciples of Christ, see the little fires on their heads. There it is. I heard another Orthodox Jewish lady say: maybe we all together are the messiah. You got it: The church is the body of Christ, the new temple. Christians have been saying that all along. First the temple was a stone building which the glory of God decended on, then it Christ was the temple(that temple was destroyed and rebuilt), now the temple is the Holy Spirit on the Church. There is the trinity. The trinity isn’t three gods. The Father , the son begotten of the father, and the Holy spirit proceeding. The burning bush says it all, if God could be in the bush, he could be in the body of a human being, fully God and fully man.
BTW The mormon religion is a teensy tiny fraction subset of Christianity confined to Utah. They are dwindling in numbers and will soon become extinct just like the gnostics(and other pretenders to the throne.) Catholicism is a 2,000 year old “cult by your definition” with one billion members.
Yeh, the only reason the Catholic Church is “maybe” a billion strong is because it goes into these third world countries and brain washes all the uneducated masses. No one with half a brain would belong to a religion that is built on so many lies. It is evil in and of itself and cannot pull itself away from it’s destruction to come. Read Revelation it is all about the fall of the Catholic Church (the antichrist) The true church is inside of every believer no matter what church they belong to. Every believer is a temple Holy Spirit with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. Repent of you sins and ask Jesus into your life and he will dwell in you. It is a gift not of works lest any man should boast. That means you cannot be born into it like an inherentance from your parents. That means you cannot work for it no matter how many good works you do. Our works are as filthy rags to the Lord. And remember you can’t be perfect as Christ was perfect that is why we need him because even though we try so hard to do right we have trouble. If you want Jesus you have to ask him into your life. Like someone once said Jesus is a gentleman he’s not going to come in unless you ask him. Can’t remember the verse about Jesus standing at the door and nocking but it’s a good one that really pulls at the heart. Thank God we have salvation outside of an organized human religious/political institution like the Catholic Church or any other church for that matter. Jesus is our High Priest not the pope. The pope has no power in the heavenly places only on this earth were he is the right arm of Satin who rules this earth.
The word of Jesus on the cross “Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing” The movie of Mel Gibson will not encourage hatred to Jews.Why? Because first of all hatred was not in the vocabulary of Jesus but rather forgiveness, love, mercy and salvation.What happenned to the Jesus last twelve hours on earth wer all well plan by the father. No one to blame not the Jews at that time nor the Romans because they are just doing their role to complete the redemption of Jesus to all humanity. In the garden of Gethsemani Jesus said “not my will Father but your will be done.” If for instance the Rabbi,Scribes and the mobbers had delayed their action probaly Jesus will rebuke them like what He did to Peter at the time he revealed his mission,on earth “The Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected by the elders, the chief priest, and the teacher of the law. He will be put to death, but on the third day he will rise to life.” Then Peter rebuke him but Jesus turned around and said “Get away from me Satan,” he said “your thoughts don’t come from God but from human nature. Therefore what happened to The Passion of The Crist are well orchestrated by God and it is a mystery. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him will have an everlasting life.Going back to the movie Mel Gibson is just an intrument to remind all who will watched the movie about the magnitude of God’s love for all his people. Anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ must deny himself carry his cross daily and follow him. Hatred is not found in any teaching of Jesus but instead love, forgiveness and mercy.If in any case after you watch the movie and you harbor hatred to Jews or Roman then you are not a real follower of Christ.
oh, Dr. Morgan…the new testament is not the bible…oh, wow you are very smart….now come on people, lets get our acts together have some common sense. The man made a movie based on the gospel and tried his best not to make the jews look like they are responsible for everything…now if he wanted to portray the jews in a very bad way he would not have taken the translation, “their blood and their children’s blood upon us” out. Now, there are many movies made in the u.s. that portray so many ethnic groups in a bad way…but they don’t make such a big deal about…and i agree that this truly shows how much grip the jews have on the american media..and not only that they even pressured mel to change the script before the movie even coming out which is rediculus and again i do agree is unamerican…now lets grow up and stop wining….thank you
There can be no doubt that there is a connection between the Nazi attrocities and the story of the death of the Rabbi Yeshua (”Jesus”). All members of the Nazi leadership were raised as Catholics and their hatred for Jews was taught by the Church. And it is a fact that the R.C. Church conspired with Hitler to follow-through with the wholesale murder of Jews.
What is very telling, unfortunately, are the main reasons that people are seeing the Mel Gibson movie. There are really only two reasons: (1) it plays upon Anti-Jewish feelings; and (2) it depicts violence and cruelty against the Rabbi Yeshua. These are the only reasons for the film’s existence. What these people do not understand, ironically, is that by going to see this film, they are merely unconsciously repeating the genocide perpetrated by the Romans upon the Rabbi Yeshua. And the Romans were, of course, the precursors of the Catholic Church.
It would take another Jew, Sigmund Freud, to fully explain the Chistian perversity and bloodlust for Jewish blood, be it actual or symbolic, as in the ritual eating of Yeshua’s flesh (wafer) and drinking his blood (wine).
Some of the above comments prove that some Jews can be as bigoted as some Christians. Respect and tolerance should be mutual. Sensitivity should be reciprocal. Every time Christians are ignorantly painted with a broad brush by those who falsely accuse them of anti-Semitism, the credibility of the accusers is further diminished in the eyes of objective people.
you people make it look like jews are the angels of the earth and that whatever they do we should not criticize them and that its ok to call catholics any name (like antisemites) and make a movie that portrays catholics as the bad ones as long as the jews have nothing to do with wrong doing. What in the world is the kind of philosophy is that? For God’s sake, innocent people are being killed everyday in some parts of the world and you people are not giving a rats ass about these people and how they are portrayed in america. But whats unfortunate is that America is not a real democracy but yet its people still think it is…but, i think that one person has realized this in america and it is mel gibson.
Jesus was a Jew, the twelve desciples were Jewish the first members of the church were Jewish. I respect Jews for bringing us the Bible the Old Testiment and the New Testiment. We must remember that the Roman Catholic church was started by Romans the enemy of the Jew YET they take all the credit for starting the “church” of Christ. Are they real or are they counterfiet? I think anyone with half a brain can answer that.
I am sad too see this situation arise, and assure you that many Jews, like myself, wish that these charges were never made. It is obvious that good people do not hate groups, and those who hate Jews don’t require this film. All bigots have justifying mythologies. I am what I do, as you are. BTW, I also have problems with Sharon, the wall, and settlements. So do many Israeli’s. The Palestinians suffer from their radicals, as well.
Mel Gibson is using Christ and people’s faith
to keep himself in the public eye and make a fortune.
He is taking candy from a baby. He is anti-semitic
and Jewish is a religion not a race of people
who’s skin is not milky white.
MEl Gibson i think you are the man this movie was spectacular i mean you but everything to the t im not a big going to church kind of fan but i do believe that there is a God and you proved to everybody that he is true and i cant thank you more im only 17 and i was so touch by your movie i cant explain why i love you for that and keep up the good work bye!!!
Well after reading all the above posts there is one thing in common everyone has there own opinion and it is unlikely to change that with a post here. I did see the movie as did a large group from our church. (Baptist)After the movie we sat with our pastor in a group and discussed the movie to help settle all our differences. The movie was based on both the Gospels,mystism,dreams and some hollywood license. As a christian I do not blame anyone for the death of Christ as we are all to blame. I do not hate Jews Jesus was a Jew I need to understand Judaism to lunderstand Christianity. I would only hope that someday someone will make a film about the real reason Christianity came to be and that is the Resurrection of Jesus not the crucifixon. Then again they did see: http://www.resurrection-themovie.com
Yeshua the Messiah is the Son of God, not God of Trinity.
Passion of Christ movie – one of us not importing to Israel – they know about Yeshua…extensive violence toward Yeshua – all way to his execution.
Roman 11 – don’t be boast over natural branch – hellenistic (greek) view bad.
Torah revealed: came from Jerusalem as he was told to (for Gentile) – Shaul (Paul) revealed – Hear it so do it!
Many christian evangelists, pastors cause to deceive every persons.
The Biblical authors are always wrong.
As the Biblical movies are wrong at once.
Passover was celebrated by 12 Yeshua’s(Jesus) disciples on Seder, but Easter was not celebrated.
Everyone Christian protestants worship Yeshua – Christian protestants believe that Trinity.
We worship One true G-d…not 3 persons in G-d.
G-d is the Father and Yeshua is the Son.
A passion of the christ is catholic-dominated movie from Europe, not in Israel.
Italian actors and actresses may boast – they played to act on the anti-Messianic sentiments.
They hurt from the anti-Semitism feelings that is not good for any other person.
i saw the movie tonight for the first time. if believeing in God and Jesus makes me a christian then i guess i am. wouldn’t it be nice if the world had just one race of people? we could call them human beings. they could all have the same hair, eyes etc. etc. etc. there would be no rich or poor and no wrong side of the tracks to be from. Gee, what would all the bigots, raceists and other idiots find to hate then ??????
the movie was great! i think it’s about time someone did away with all the white wash and showed us how it really was. hard and painful as it was to watch i’ll always thank mr. gibson for making the movie.
Hello? The bible is the most accurate, reliable, and proven piece of historical document that ever existed. Why? if what was profesied in the old testiment comes to pass in the new, I just don’t understand how anyone could discredit it. Yes, Jesus was crucified 2000 years ago by people of that time and in that culture. Pontius Pilate really didn’t find any fault in Jesus and really didn’t want to kill him. It was mostly the church in that day that wanted him dead, not the Romans or the Jews. The church thought that Jesus was going to lead a revolt against the roman empire and they didn’t want to be any part of it because they thought the romans government would blame them. By eliminating Him, it would prevent any such things and future disputes against them (the church). What I just said is my opinion of what happened, not actual fact because I was not there in that day. The bible is very clear though that Pontius Pilate (by the way was a real person) really found no fault in Jesus. The men who actually killed Jesus were roman but were “ordered” to kill Him because the crowd insisted. People killed Jesus, not jews. Jesus was a jew and was amoungst jews. If Jesus was english and was in england would He have been killed there too? Of course! Just because the jews were there and happened to shout “crucify him!” doesn’t mean that no one else would have done it anywhere else in the world. Regardless of whether or not Mel Gibson’s movie is antisemetic shouldn’t matter. We need to see the movie for what it is. Was the blood and gor necessary? Of course it was! How can anyone have any respect for the christian faith and what historically happened if we can’t see it first hand? I myself don’t particularily like to watch bloody movies but in this case, I think it is an awesome idea to show people what you believe and bring the accounts to life. Also, I haven’t seen any movie so far that portrays this and it will be interesting to see.
YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!
ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER LIKE THIS GOES AGAINST ANY RELIGIOUS BASIS OF PEACE AND HARMONY. NOT ONE OF YOU REALIZES THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING ONLY CAUSES MORE CONFLICT AND UNREST. WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE!! HOW ABOUT WORKING TOWARDS BUILDING A MORE PEACEFULL FUTURE WITH RELIGION INSTEAD OF USING IT AS A WEAPON.
The film is great for it’s technique and style. I felt the pain on my skin.
Watching this film I made clear for myself once again, how ruthless Human being can be. Aren’t we behave same way after 2000 years?
I think this move was wary good to deskreib somebody pain for you to fell how is to be givin life for so many people to open streit for as to be good in future ,love you neighbor like you love you self . That is his worth but we so many move about love and beliv in him bat how is wit his pain for as . That wat move is about to fell somebody pain for you .
Eh, I don’t find your argument convincing, although I do agree that Davis is toast and that he probably should be, based on his behavior in office.
I’m not sure why you are so up-in-arms that some celebrities are against Arnold’s campaign. Why are you so offended. And couldn’t it just be that he’s running as a Republican and the above named actors are of a Liberal mindset?
I’m not up-in-arms or offended. I just think they need to shut up about it. The only thing that matters to an individual regarding his or her vote is what handle they pull in the booth on voting day. The idea of these politically-ignorant asshats spouting off about this guy is just more of the same mindless garbage we hear from them on other issues. If Woody and Cybill are so against the guy, give me a realistic, supportable reason why…what stance does the man have that’s so frightening to these people? Don’t give me that generic “I’m against him” or “we have the goods on him” stuff, followed by silence. Influence me with substance. Otherwise, shut up.
I’m always happy to find a Jacksonville weblogger (I linked to your site today on SportsFilter, but I gotta give you some grief here. If you think celebrities should shut up and stop pretending that fame gives them political insight, how can you support Schwarzeneggar?
Rogers: thanks for the link, got some nice hots from your site…I have an update to that Jags story…
The major difference between Arnold and the Usual Suspects is that at least Arnold is putting his political money where his mouth is for the good, hopefully, of his adoped home state. The rest of them do all kinds of helpful things, like chaining themselves to fences at nuclear power plants (Sheen) or rattling off them most ridiculous socialist crap (Asner) or smoking dope (Harrelson). A lot of good that’s all going to do for California. Winning the state house would be a big pay cut for Arnold, and he might actually do some good. I don’t necessarily support Schwartznegger, either. I find his politics a little too left of center for my liking. No matter. I live in Florida.
Well, it’s him or Bustamante. I don’t want to vote for Schwarzenegger. In fact, I wish this recall hadn’t happened at all. We’ll most likely end up with Bustamante, which is absolutely unacceptable.
I would vote for McClintock but it would probably be a wasted vote. I wish he had a real chance, but I don’t think so. So it might be the lesser of 2 evils, Arnold or Cruz. I can’t see that Cruz would be much better than Gray Davis frankly.
Hmmm, well I was a devoted Mac user for a time, until my dad started getting free PCs from the places he’s worked. Now I have a great many computers, and I have to say I like and dislike Macs and PCs. Macs have problems all the time, that I can usually fix. PCs have problems rarely that I have no clue about.
Of course, Al Gore is employed by Apple, so I might just have to boycott them….I’d sure hate to though.
The thing about Apples that makes them appealing to some people is the fact that they actually discourage you from getting into the computer the way you would with a PC. Most Mac users I know like the way you just turn it on, and it works.
In an odd way, that’s what makes the PC so appealing to me. Consider the number of different versions of Windows and Linux that run on one. Then consider the hundreds of motherboards, hard drives, video cards, network cards, modems and other devices that somehow manage to work with those systems, most of the time. When you consider the chaos involved, I’m surprised any of it works at all.
Of course, I attribute that to the brilliance of designers, programmers and bug chasers. Not Bill Gates.
Geo: what you have a “right” to and what reality is are often two different things. You can have all the “rights” in the world. If someone wants that laptop, they’re gonna take it. Using a piece of software doesn’t mean you have a right to it being secure, either.
Once launched, computer attacks like the Blaster worm have a mind of their own, so comparing them to a house burglar is a bad analogy. They’re more like a rainstorm.
Geo: If you leave your convertible’s ragtop down and rain ruins the leather seats, do you blame the rain or the person who failed to take reasonable precautions against a foreseeable circumstance?
An Internet-connected machine is subjected to exploit attempts all day long — my firewall logs dozens every week. Anyone who doesn’t keep their system up-to-date on patches and activate a firewall is like a convertible driver who never puts the top up.
Ben and J.Lo reproducing…there’s a frightening thought…a kid wtih a big ass who can’t act.
On the Prez: yeah, how hard would it have been to run some fast checks on some of us in the building and let us watch him arrive from behind the flight line fence, or, perish the thought, from the roof near the tower? I’m planning on e-mailing the base C.O. to let him know how angry I am. I understand the need to keep the man safe. But, come on…
The detail evaluates the number of windows they have to cover (watch) from which a sniper could shoot. Closing the blinds means elss windows to cover.
At least that’s the theory. You’d think a sniper could use a very narrow opening. But it’s combination of things, agents opening doors at random throughout the building, security sweeps, etc. that make it more effective.
The windows of my office, however, can’t be opened, as they are double-paned windows permanently set in the wall. There are also rolldown hurricane shutters attached to the outside wall. If someone were insane enough to try shooting someone though those windows, they’d have to shoot through two thick panes of glass. There are some windows in the building that do open, most located on the opposite side of the building, closer to where the plane was actually parked.
As I said in the original piece, I have no issues with security. But considering who the people are here, it’s seemed a little over the top, especially considering the people who did get to see Mr. Bush up close.
Nothing to add here (after all, how can you top a wonderful summation like that?), except Happy Birthday to an extraordinary young woman who I am privileged to know!
Happy Belated Birthday Sweetheart!!!!!!! I only wish we could all be together to celebrate. Please always rememeber that even though we may be far away,we are always thinking of you! We Love You!!!! XXX000 Uncle Ronnie,Aunt El, Justin, Grandma & Grandpa. (Oh, and Sparky)
You, my friend, are a funny sumbitch. I’ll laugh more once the severe burning sensation caused by the sudden intake of wine into the sinus cavity subsides.
I agree with your article. Everyone wants to put the blame for everything on the U.S. But when anyone needs help it is always the U.S. that is first to be there. I wonder how much help we could get from other countries? That is with exception of Great Britain. Americans are sensitive to the killing of innocent people- otherwise Iraq would be leveled flat by now. al Quida would not care about innocent people. Then again al Quida is made up of cowards.
24 years – wow, it seems like yesterday when I was wearing that yellow junior bridesmaid dress (it was 1979!) and dancing with you at the reception, Joe. Happy Anniversary!
I can’t believe 24 years have passed. Happy Anniversary!!!!!! Ronnie and I are celebrating 8 years tomorrow. It’s amazing how fast time goes by.
Congratulations!
This got me worked up the first time around. I cannot believe he’s continuing this nonsense. Maybe I’ll start having “Amazing Randi Day” over at my blog once a week.
This turdnugget obviously takes himself waaay too seriously. I think he knows he is full of crap and is afraid everyone else will find out. Otherwise, he shouldn’t be so threatened by your blog post. I loved your comment about J Lo and Ben – cracked me up.
I can’t stand John Edwards either. He used to come on in the morning after my favorite local morning show and everytime he made me want to throw up.
IMO these charlatans are among the worst kind of scumbags because they prey on people who are hurting and grieving.
When Will i get married. When Will I get a New Job. When Will I drive and learn how to use a car.Wil I have any kids. Does edwin williams loves me. Who is my enemies and why are they talking about me.When Will I Win the lottery. Thank you have a nice day. I need to know more about my future and for others also thats around me.
Hi, found your blog during a search for something else on Google. Hope you don’t mind if I comment.
You’re right … that story would make anyone cry. Tears of empathy and admiration for the child, anger at the mother … hell, anger that such a thing could happen in the first place. I’m a mother myself and my second daughter will be three next week, so it’s hard for me to fathom how a parent could be so neglectful.
I just surfed here and read this entry of yours. Great job. I have a few thoughts though.
First let me agree with you in your characterization of the impact Rush has on all of us, “His commentary forces you to think. Even those who vehemently disagree with everything he says have to agree that just his presence in the marketplace forces them to look hard at what they believe and perceive about everything.”
Second, those of us who have suffered drug addictions simply would like to see Rush cop to his addiction as well and even perhaps talk about how it has likely changed some of his opinions on the drug war. Drug addicts are worthy of more than base contempt as he has often expressed for drug addicts.
Third, “I don’t see Mr. Bush or the state’s law enforcement agencies pulling drug users off the streets and filling the jails with their tortured bodies.” I would argue that you don’t see them becasue none of your friends are drug addicts. Wake up and check some facts. Half of the US prison population is composed of non-violent drug offenders. Of those, almost half is there for possesion, not traffiking. As a corrollary to this, you should know that the perception of the professional drug dealer is a myth. The vast majority of dealers are employed at a legal job for income, and deal drugs for extra income to support thier own habits.
Fourth, you say “until this society is ready to bear the burden of potentially millions of addicts legally using those various substances, drug dealers should be dealt with as harshly as possible, just to keep them away from our kids.”
There already are millions of people addicted to drugs today, and criminalization isn’t a way of “dealing” with it, it is a way of ignoring it. In the US today it is far easier for kids to get illicit drugs than it is to get alcohol. If drugs were legalized and even distributed, there obviously would be age limits imposed (and hopefully strictly enforced) similar to cigarettes and alcohol. I’m specualting here, but I think drug use among kids would drop. This seems to have been the case in Holland’s drug legalization history.
Fifth, I want to point out the single flaw in this line of reasoning, “You see, the user still has to pay for the drugs they use. Which means they need a job. And they eventually won’t be able to do their jobs very well if all they worry about is their next ingestion or if they’re high all the time. Eventually, they lose the job and wind up on the street, committing crimes to pay for the drugs they need. This cycle might sound familiar…since it’s similar to what happens now with illicit drugs. But, don’t worry, everything will be fine…the tax dollars generated by people’s drug habits will be used to fund their rehabilitation! But, what happens if everyone using drugs goes through rehab and stops using the drugs? Won’t the tax revenues dry up? What’s a government supposed to do then, encourage drug use to help society?”
I know you’re being flippant but obviously rehab wouldn’t isn’t going to make everyone stop using drugs. There will be a constant fresh supply of new drug addicts with every new generation. All through the escalation of the drug war, drug use rates have _risen_ not fallen, and continue to rise today. The drug war is a failure, drug criminalization is a failure. The cycle you outlined above is otherwise correct though. Highly addictive drugs will cause people to lose thier jobs and motivate them to engage in petty theft to pay for thier habits. Such a scenario however does not apply to the “soft” drugs that aren’t phhysically addictive. If decriminalization is to happen it will have to be a slow process, that goes step-wise through different classes of drugs, allowing our society to adjust and adapt to the changes as they are introduced. First with marijuana and then maybe with mushrooms, then with who knows what else. All along the way the governments job will still be to discourage drug use, the anti-drug message should be redoubled. None of us who are taking drug decriminalization seriously are saying that drugs aren’t bad for you. All drugs are bad for you, its just that some drugs won’t cause you to lose your job. Caffeine, nicotine, alcohol and even THC fall into this category. The vast majority of soft and hard drug users maintain full-time jobs and lead happy but secret lives.
The picture of drug decriminalization isn’t one of “everything goes wooooo! party”. No. Its one where laws are in place and even more strictly enforced against (in broadest sense) public intoxication, driving while intoxicated, sales to minors, theft, and black market dealing.
At some point in thinking about all of this you have to ask yourself, is it right to throw people in jail when they are only hurting themselves? Of course it isn’t. Sure, hard, addictive drugs have been shown to increase the rate of other petty crimes when not adminstered properly. That being the case be draconian about punishing people for the actual crimes, even the petty ones. But leave those who are able to manage thier addictions without hurting anyone else around them alone. Prison has never helped a drug addict get sober, I know from experience on this one.
PS: I wrote the above entry as a single pass. I apologise for the typos and grammar errors that come with that. No time to proofread as I have to get to work.
PPS: The image of the opiate addict losing his job due to his addiction and then resorting to theft as a means of income to support the habit seems in direct contrast to the anecdote of Rush Limbaugh maintaining an opiate drug habit for years while running a very successful talk radio show, doesn’t it? Food for thought when you know how similar vicodin and heroin or morphine are. Rush’s example is effectively and argument for the legalization of recreational drugs. If he can work through it without losing his job, anyone can, right?
So now Rush has come out and said it, he’s been abusing drugs. He didn’t acquire them legally. And now the prosecutors want to offer him the same deal they offer everyone they bust for drugs, give up your dealer or go to jail. And that’s how it works. I fully expect Rush to give up his dealers (not just the maid, there were others) and avoid jail. But what about the people who get thier drugs as a shared resource between thier closest friends and family? Well, these people go to jail obviously. So don’t even try and say that they aren’t going after the users.
The fact is, Rush broke the law. Do we excuse him for it? If so, how do you rationalize a sense of moral consistency now?
It’s good to see somebody offering an alternative viewpoint …
COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC: I just now noticed that the quote below your masthead is by Elvis Costello … now you’ll have “Man Out of Time” going through my head all day!
I graduated from St. Anthony’s in 1967 and have since moved to California. I’ve never heard about any reunions until I read this posting. If you know of any upcoming reunions please let me know and I will do my best to attend.
Those were some very good years and I would love to see some of my old classmates.
Dude, I think the T.U. will publish anything as long as it’s signed and dated. They usually try and balance the letters page so I suspect that was the only left-leaning letter they could find for that day. Lame, I know. Great site, by the way. –scott
Well, I have to wonder if the T-U editors are all having a laugh over that one anyway. I don’t think it’s so lame. It’s nice to know what the enemy is thinking. Thanks for the compliment.
I have cable access and am considering using a router in conjunction with the firewall I currently use (plus that means I could add another computer to the one connection). I also turn off the computer when it’s not in use (why waste the electricity?).
But it positively frightening how many “hits” the firewall records on my system for the small amount of time it is on!
Damn, Rogers, I missed that one.
Trust me, nothing Fox does (except NFL football and the Simpsons) can be trusted, either. Especially since they made us believe we’d never have Joe Millionaire again.
For some reason, this reminded me of when I used to take the bus to work from West Hollywood to Century City.
The bus driver would let a mentally ill woman on the bus every day. She would refuse to pay and sit in the back shouting obscenities, calling people Nazis and saying things like “You eat Linda Westermeyer’s c**t!”
One day, the driver refused to proceed unless the woman either paid or got off the bus. He told her that he was calling the transit police. The woman went nuts and started hitting a young woman who was sitting next to her, saying “You’re Linda Westermeyer!” Since it was obvious no one else was going to intervene, I pulled the woman away from her attack and threw her off the bus. The crowd applauded and I felt like giving them all the finger. When the transit cop came, he took a report and I figured the woman would be arrested and charged with assault.
Nope.
Several days later, that same woman got on the bus with a gun (I was sitting where I couldn’t see her). She took the gun out of her purse, loaded it — with several people watching — and shot a French tourist. We all fled the bus and the swat team came in a killed the woman who remained holed up in the bus — while the tourist bled to death.
The woman turned out to be the only child of Holocaust survivors. She lived alone in one of those houses packed full of trash that you read about so often. Her neighbors knew she was insane, and had made hundreds of calls to authorities over the years.
When I called the sheriff’s department to complain that this woman had been permitted to ride the bus without paying for as long as I had been a passenger, I was told “So what?”
So, when you talk about society eroding and lack of responsibiltiy, I have several questions regarding this particular incident.
Who should be responsible for ensuring that mentally ill get proper treatment?
What should be the consequences for failing to respond to warnings from neighbors?
What would you do if someone took out a gun and started loading it on a bus?
Since this happened, I have not been able to use public transportation.
Speaking of regulations, one community that was completely burned AROUND, not up, but surrounded by the fire up to their doorsteps without a single home lost, had some of the most strigent building codes in southern California. No wood in the roof systems were allowed, all clay tile, and the siding had to be flame retardant. The windows were required to be sufficiently heat and wind resistant. The landscaping had to contain plants that retained water and would not seasonally dry out. The community’s adjacent land, owned by the associations, must be maintained, regularly thinned. While I’ve never met a regulation I could like, these precautions seem to have worked, but I’m sure middle class folk like me have been priced out by all the add-ons.
This guy was a guest on some cable news talkshow a few years back, on the topic of the N-word if I remember correctly. Anyway, the bitterness was palpable, attributable to his band’s decline I suspect. You see, they believed they were somehow high-brow rap. And while that may be admirable, it certainly won’t sell much. Good post.
You may recall that Madonna sued an Italian company called “Madonna” several years ago (I think they made jewelry). The Italian judge dismissed the case saying that there was already someone of greater significance named Madonna.
Actually, I did think of the group when I heard the name of the show … but my thought was that this was just another thing named after the common phrase, like the band was, instead something having anything to do with the band.
So I think you’re right: 1)Most people who have heard of the band won’t think there’s a connection; and 2) Most people haven’t heard of/don’t remember the band …
Let’s just hope some idiot judge doesn’t give them the time of day …
The Warren Commision lied to the American Public.
They knew if the people of the United States knew
this much beloved president was killed by the CIA
there would be a possile war.You would have to be
braindead to believe the lies and distotions of
the Warren Commision.The government can continue to lie and lie. But the American people who loved John Kennedy know the truth. We plot assasinating
leaders of other countries.There was nothing to stop the CIA and FBI from doing it here.
Believe what you like. I’m not saying there was no involvement by some outside force…maybe there was. But I’m convinced that Oswald did it, and he did it alone. I also never said I believed the Warren Commission’s conclusions, or at least not their ways of arriving at it or how they’ve kept information under wraps for years.
Here’s my question to you: what did Killing JFK accomplish for these conspirators? If it was right-wingers, what we wound up with (LBJ) was a lot worse. The Cubans? Well, we’re still not dealing with them in any significant way, are we? The Mob? Not much left of them, is there?
I would place more credence in some conspiracy if the killing of Kennedy produced some kind of result that benefitted some large goal. But, if it did, I can’t figure it out.
And I still haven’t seen a shred of undeniable proof that there was a conspiracy. There were 13 or so men on the WC, along with hundreds of staffers, investigators, support personnel, etc. Try to get that many people to swear to absolute secrecy about something so incredible for 40 years. Ain’t gonna happen.
The arguments of coincidence theorists are well-worn, vague, general, and easily dismissed.
The “no solid, concrete, irrefutable evidence” argument is made to ignore the damning circumstantial evidence of conspiracy. “Solid evidence” tends to be a euphemism for the kind of evidence that either never would have existed or would have been burned or shredded within hours of the murder — say, a memo confirming plans to assassinate the president on Nov. 22 in Dallas, found in the files of some CIA or Army Intelligence directorate, with a list of cc’s to all co-conspirators.
The “would have to have been hundreds of conspirators” argument is one of the attacks made on Stone’s “JFK.” Like most of the attacks made against the movie, it is refuted by the movie itself. In one scene, a character actually makes this argument, which is then patiently refuted, as the necessary shape and mechanism of historical conspiracies is explained. Only a few people ever needed to know.
The “someone would have talked” argument is refuted by the people who have done just that. Whether publicly or via FBI wiretap, from Rose Cheramie to Santo Trafficante, John Roselli, John Martino, and Richard Case Nagell, participants or those who had first-hand knowledge have so stated. In each instance, coincidence theorists have strained to point out their low and dubious character (a neat catch-22: involvement in a presidential assassination requires one to be an upstanding citizen and pillar of the community in order to confer the necessary credibility.) All such confessions must be denied in order to maintain a certain world view.
The “If Dan Rather says it, then it must be true” argument was refuted by Dan Rather. In 1963, he narrated the Zapruder film for CBS News viewers — the film itself was not allowed to be shown. In 1975, when the Zapruder film became publicly available, enterprising researchers toured the country with a presentation that synced up Rather’s 1963 narration with the film itself, capturing the moment when Rather told viewers Kennedy’s head “went forward with considerable violence,” driven by the impact of a fatal bullet from behind… as Kennedy’s head is seen clearly being driven backward under the impact of a bullet fired from in front. They “looped” this segment — repeating over and over the sequence of Kennedy’s head snapping backward as Rather intones the word “forward” — to drive the point home.
To Oswald’s marksmanship: If he took all the time he wanted to line up the first shot — his clearest, closest, easiest shot — this is also, coincidence theorists contend, the shot that missed. The 5.6 second clock on his marksmanship feat having thus commenced, he scored two hits, firing through trees at a rapidly diminishing moving target, a feat that could not be duplicated by expert marksmen. And they, for a fact, got plenty of practice:
“None other than Dan Rather admitted in a 1993 documentary on the assassination, ‘Who Killed JFK? The Final Chapter,’ that the 1967 CBS rifle test showed the alleged shooting feat would have been difficult. Specifically, Rather said the test showed ‘the odds are against’ a gunman doing what the WC said Oswald did. In fact, Rather added that this fact constituted support ‘for the theory that there perhaps was more than one gunman.’ What led Rather to say this? Because in the 1967 simulation NOT ONE of the eleven expert riflemen who took part in the test managed to score two hits out of three shots on the moving target sled in less than 6 seconds. Seven of them failed to do so on ANY attempt. Oswald would have one and only one attempt.” (Michael T. Griffith, “Fact vs. Myth in the JFK Assassination.”)
The Warren Commission’s own tests using crack shots produced equally dismal results, “even though they were allowed to take as long as they wanted for the first shot, even though two of them took longer than 6 seconds to fire, even though they were only firing from 30 feet up, and even though they were shooting at stationary target boards.”
In the face of such counter-indications, the increasing lengths to which coincidence needs to be stretched, and the increasing height of the mountain of eyewitness testimony and photographic, acoustic, ballistic, and forensic evidence pointing to a second gun, a conspiracy and a cover-up, it should be fairly impossible for anyone possessed of an open or inquiring mind to “finally conclude that [Oswald] actually did it, and move on.”
i agre that it was a conspiracy but i don’t know weather it should include our buddy LHO; as well to prove that he was involved. I find it very odd Oswald’s quotes and that picture he was shown wiht him and the rifle. If anybody can help me with my paper on this please email me oh wel thank you so very much and why would one assassin bring only 3 bullets to the scene? the three expended shells by oswald.
I don’t think oswald did it alone and i dffinitally do not agree with the warren commision. They over looked so much information that could have led to other conclusions. I think there were multiple shooters. The single bullet theory is not right. The second bullet couldn’t have traveled that far. There had to have been at least 5 bullets.
hi, i was researching the topic of jfk’s assination, and came across yours. i am 14 years old and my family are british, so i hadn’t had much of an idea about jfk’s assasination, until i got a school project about it!
i must say that you have given me some very good ideas for my report, and have helped me to realise how deep this event goes and also the many outcomes that may have occured.
i had very little knowledge of this event and am not about to have a harsh conflict on whether or not oswald was to blame.
and i don’t think other people should argue about it either!
as you said, no one can say whats right or wrong, unless we get more evidence, and someone comes forward with more information, which is getting more and more unlikely by the day, as it was so very long ago.
we let that horrible day slip through our fingers,and i think that now we should now concentrate ourselves on more recent events, so as not to let those become entangled with truth and lies.
we should be sorry that these things happen and try to deter them, but there is little we can do now but wonder…
This is for Joe, if he still frequents this sight:
If there was no cover up by the government in the assination of Kennedy, then why was the car that he was riding in (a Ford Lincoln)taken to a garage near the White House in complete secracy and locked away, until a week later when it was taken back to the Ford company to get the wind shield replaced(also in secracy, because the few who worked on the car were told that they would lose their jobs if they leaked any information and the records were also destroyed)? But if Kennedy was shot in the back of the head, like the FBI states, then why was the wind shield replaced? Because their was a bullet hole in it, that’s why!
you really have no idea of how far a bullet could go when shot out of Oswald’s rifel… i mean that is a really powerful gun…and 5 shots!!! you have to be onb somthing if you think that there was at least 5 shots shot at kennedy… there was only three. one shot hit kennedy in the back and exited through his neck and hit the govenors leg. the second was the ont that hit the govenors wrist and shattered it. the third was the one that gave the head shot. if anydisagree’s with me please post your comments.
my idea of what happened was the organized crime therory. i think it was the mob who hired oswald to kill kennedy but they thought that oswald was going to talk and they also hired ruby to kill oswald. the mob had the motive and they had the equiptment to do the job. ruby has been into the crime circle for years because ruby has always been an underground man with Al Capone back in the day. so thats how he was linked. oswald was linked because when he left the U.S. military (he was trained with weapons) he was gone for a few months and no one could find him. he was sworn into secrecy by the mob. he killed kennedy and thats it. well thats my opinion post more its great….
Mystery Man-
Though the mob theory seems plausible, it is impossible to say that there were only three shots fired. Unless there was in fact a “magic bullet”, basic physics gives us enough common sense to know that a bullet cannot change direction so sharply in flight or pause in mid-air for 1.6 seconds. If you are not convinced, I suggest you see JFK or study up on basic physics.
For Joe,
Sadly, JFK’s assassination (the benefit of it) brought in from the end of the Vietnam from what I understand $220 billion a lot of money even in those days. Kennedy was oppose to the war there he said that to Walter Cronkite on TV. He fought for civil rights and was going to do something to help it out. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco he refuse to invade Cuba. He wanted to end the Cold War on his second term and bring back the troops that were in Vietnam in “65. He wanted to cut the oil depletetion allowance from the Texas oil barons. He wanted to revamp the CIA. He fired Allen Dulles (head CIA), Richard Bissel and Charles Cabal – CIA head people. (By the way Earle Cabal was Mayor of Dallas, Texas at the time of the JFK assassination and it is understood by some to changed the route of the Kennedy caravan to Houston and Elm (where was the Secret Service?). Kennedy wanted to help the little guy in every way which the so-called Establishment does not want to a very certain degree. They help out the rich instead. One way of doing that as Mr. X in Oliver Stone’s JFK movie says. ” THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF ANY SOCIETY IS FOR WAR”. “THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE OVER IT’S PEOPLE RESIDES IN ITS WAR POWERS. What do you think is happening now in Iraq? It’s all about OIL!! (but no one wants to talk about it because troops and people are dying over there) JFK would never had sent us over there. Maybe his brother Ted was right – this war was brought about first in Texas (Bushes) where probably his brothers death came about. (I’m from Texas myself – good people there). There were eyewitnesses who saw the gunmen at the picketed fence (grassy knoll area). Some people did have previous knowledge of it – some are dead because of it. The people who were involved with the assassination (of course not all, but the expendable ones) were probably eliminated to make sure of no leaks (common sense – its happened in the past and will continue). In my opinion the last real true independent U.S. President was John F. Kennedy the rest got to tow the line for the establishment. We really don’t live in a democratic country. There’s what some people call it a “shadow government” and that’s coming from some politicians and people in the public sector. Those are my personal feelings.
footnote: I forgot to edit that Earle Cabal was the brother of Charles Cabal who was deputy CIA, I understand, who was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs along with the head of CIA – Allen Dulles – and Richard Bissel all sacred cows of the CIA. Allen Dulles, by the way, was a member of the Warren Commission which brings the question to many why would he be part of the investigation of JFK when he was fired by the President. Some investigators say to hellp supervise the coverup which he was part of. The question is who had the power to reduce the security of the President that day. Why did the telephone system fail in Washington D.C. at the time of the assassination for, I believe, over an hour after the assassination – who had the power if it was done on purpose. There was a certain manual on Air Force One that is needed and used when a certain crisis as what happend in Dallas that day was missing. Who had the power to do all these things? It had to be the government. It had to be a cooperation of different agencies. As President Eisenhower said in his last speech in office “beware of the military-industrial complex”.
Raymond & all you other conspiracy goofs: give it up guys! It’s what it looks like: Kennedy was shot by Oswald who had been thinking about it for sometime and had days or weeks to acquire and internalize the “site picture” he would use to accomplish his feat of “marksmanship”. He knew his gun well and had is sighted it in.
While not an easy job, it was not the “miracle” shot that all of you conspiracy buffs portray: on the contrary, with some planning and luck, it was quite doable.
And now a special note to Raymond: Raymond, you moron, where did you get all that crap about what Kennedy was going to do for and to this country? What a load! Kennedy was a politician like any other. While he may have had some personal likes, dislikes and desires, he was not about to do anything that would seriously rock the boat. He was certainly no saint, scholar or genius. He was just a guy like any of our other American presidents.
Kids, don’t be fooled. These goof balls will come up with more grainy stills and more obscure “witnesses” but bear in mind that in 40 years, no credible witness with unassailable evidence has come forward and convincingly proved this supposedly massive conspiracy. Don’t hold your breath kids, ’cause they never will ’cause it doesn’t exist! Sometimes, weird, freaky shit happens in this world and it ain’t part of some huge conspiracy.
the one to the head
the two in his back
the one that hit the govener
and the last one hit the guy in the crowd
belive in that magic bullet crap all you bu there is no way that ONE BULLET made TWO different holes
im doing a project for school. i watched the directers cut of JFK there was FIVE BULLETS the goverment killed JFK because they didnt want the Kennedy family to have to much power.
This is for John R: Who died and made you in charge of personal public opinion when it comes to past historical events such as the JFK assassination – Gerald Posner? You should check into a egomaniac anonymous treament facility. Good grief, people are entitled to their personal opinion of what they think happened. Were you there. I wasn’t and most people weren’t either. How do you know more than they do? Who made you God? This website is for people’s opinions if they wish to express their opinions, but you are always going get jerks like to put people down because you think you know it all ( what a jerk )
This is for John R: Who died and made you in charge of personal public opinion when it comes to past historical events such as the JFK assassination – Gerald Posner? You should check into a egomaniac anonymous treament facility. Good grief, people are entitled to their personal opinion of what they think happened. Were you there. I wasn’t and most people weren’t either. How do you know more than they do? Who made you God? This website is for people’s opinions if they wish to express their opinions, but you are always going get people like you who think they know it all.
I understand that JFK was going to rock the boat. Pull out completely out of Vietnam by 1965 if re-elected in ‘64 which people at the time believed he probably would. That was CIA’s plan which it is known from insiders they seem to be operating own their own without checking with the White House in certain matters. According to Sen. Mike Mansfield – JFK told him he was going break the CIA into a thousand pieces and throw it into the winds – revamp the CIA by stopping their clandestine operations NSAM 55 & 57 (National Security Action Memorandums). He wanted take away some of their power from them because he didn’t trust them any more (hence the Bay of Pigs fiasco). It is reported he wanted to make big changes which the big powers in the government didn’t want to see. There is reliable literature on this if you want to believe or not on this subject.
Not you – Balfsar. Not you. I believe we are referring to John R. not you. This type of bickering on this website shouldn’t be, but you should not be cruel – language wise – for a person’s opinion. Some people might not think so, but you should respect people’s opinions, and not DEMEAN a person’s opinion. 99.99 percent of the people was not there and anything in life is possible to not think so, then one is being very naive.
I agree with “jjs”, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and bickering leads nowhere. However, if this site didn’t provoke some level of arguement, we wouldn’t be able to learn from other people, so keep on arguing! But please do so with restraint and proper grammar, some of you guys really need to read an English textbook.
Hey, Jack, you still mad at us (CIA)? What a mastermind plan – perfect – there’s plenty of die-hard believers who still think poor Oswald did it. Not even in 2029 will they know the truth. You should of towed the line like the rest of the other so-called Presidents. You should of played ball with the real rulers of this country. We had to make you an example for the rest of you so-call Presidents to follow. Iraq here we come – OIL!
I have watched many series and read many articles about the JFK assasination. The fact that people think their was at least 5 shots is an incredibly absurd thought. Their was only one audio tape recorded at the time of the assasination. It was that of one of the police officers that was tailing the vehicle down the street. From the studies of the tape it prove their were only 3 shots. Also the thought of someone on the Grassy Nole is false. It hs been studied and proven their was no one on the nole and if their was they were 2.8 feet tall. The scientists used the proportions of the other individuals in the picture and it was proven their was only one shooter and 3 shots.
Mystery Man, I totally agree with your thoughts. The fact that a bullet could change direction so quick is basically impossible. But the question is though where did the other shot come from if the magic bullet theory is false. The thought that it could have came from the grassy nole is defiantely false. Due to the proportions and also the angle of the shot would have gome through his shoulder….their is no way it could have possibly changed direction to hit the governor in the back then continue through to the wrist then the leg.
Joe, dude… …fix and forget it. I actually never noticed it until you mentioned it. Considering how great the rest of your site works and looks, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.
Joe, I hope they publish your letter! Little Green Footballs covered the whole Corrie affair pretty thoroughly. Glad I missed the letter to the editor, it would have ruined my day.–s
Scott — thanks. A lot of the information I gathered for my letter originated with links found at LGF. A great site…we’ll see if the TU has the ‘nads to publish me. They have in the past…
The sad thing is that, had I been feeling better and had I known a little more about the preparations involved, I would have really enjoyed doing this. I’ll probably feel that way when all the details are done.
I just received an invitation to be enshrined on the Wall yesterday. I just wonder how they got my name, and why I have to pay? It sounds like a good idea, but I’m not sure it is for me. At first I thought it was just another charity asking for donations…. I don’t know.
I also have received an invitation to have my name on the Wall of Tolerance. I was very appreciative but confused on how my name was selected. I am no one special in my community. I have not done anything to be recognized for and if I am that significant then why should I have to pay for my name to be recognized as a person of tolerance. I teach acceptance to my children and tolerance but not at any cost. Sometimes tolerance is the popular vote but it can be a morally bankrupt venture. Our nation teaches us to be tolerant when it is convenient. I will not tolerate my rights as a human being to be violated. So, although I am very appreciative to be given the opportunity to be recognized and have my name on a wall with great people, I do not think that I deserve it.
Do you ever wonder why the Southern Poverty Law Center has a Wall of Silence concerning Israel’s Apartheid Wall of Hate? You would think that celebrating diversity and multiculturalism would work as well for Israel as it has for America. Could it be that eliminating a group identity also eliminates the group? If that’s so then why does the Wall of Tolerance promote the identity of some groups while remaining steadfastly intolerant of white identity? Is it hatful to promote the extermination of a people and their culture by amalgamation? Are the American Indians considered hateful because they were intolerant of white immigration, and the subsequent loss of their lands, culture and people? Isn’t the Wall of Tolerance the promotion of racism of some groups at the expense of the racism of others? If that’s so then is it understandable for a people not to tolerate (to take or sustain without protest or repining) the promotion of their own demise? Did you know that Blacks commit nine times more race motivated crimes against Whites than Whites do against Blacks? If Blacks commit more racist crime than Whites, then why is it that the Southern Poverty Law Center only laments Black victims? Isn’t the Southern Poverty Law Center really just an intolerant racist organization run by racist Jews? If racism is good for Jews and Blacks then why is it bad for Whites? Could it be because White racism might be bad for Israel’s Apartheid Wall of Hate?
If you truely think there is little racist influence in our culture, I’d like to remind you of SENATE MAJORITY LEADER Trent Lott who at Strom Thurman’s 100th party late last year announced to core republican constituents that if Thurman had won the presidency, we would not be having “all these problems.” Strom Thurman ran a single-issue campaign on segregation in 1948. You might remember seeing video tapes of it; after Trent Lott said that, the people went absolutely wild.
I’ll post as short as possible an ryn to a few comments I read.
In society before any event can be analyzed, one must understand that things to _not_ happen in a vacuum. There is a social power structure attached to very social event that has its roots in the past. For this reason, There is something fundamentally different between racism commited by a “white” (a term that originated after WWI) against a “black” and that committed by a black against a white. None are condonable, but they are clearly different. Think: who has society oppressed and who is the oppressor?
There are gimmicks designed by professional advertising agencies to elicit sympathy, compassion, and, of course, indigantion in the gullible American public. The bottom line in most of these appeals to the pubic is a request for money. Radio evangelists began early with the use of the radio, reaching out to the pocketbooks of God-fearing Christians for offerings for special causes, as they were so colorably described.
Money is the mother’s milk of politics and the proliferation of organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Morris Dees is probably a millionaire by now, and is more a showman than an attorney. He wants as much money as the public will give him. This money will be quickly consumed by administrative costs and exorbitant salaries. Very little of it, probably 20%, will go for the costly litigation for the poor. The Wall of Tolerance is just a means to an end. If Morris Dees could get every name of every American inscribed on the Wall along with a $50.00 contribution, or offering, the Wall would probably be extremely long and high. Of, course, he would build it. No doubt. He might hire a contractor pay him four times more than he is wirth But the
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some gun kill people so if we banned guns people won’t rob banks and nowone will kill anyone if the banned guns
Guns should be banned b/c if we bann them noone will have to pay for others wrong doings. Also we would not have to worry about war with iraq or others. If you agree with me then e-mail me back.
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Mark
True, but Saddam had no involvement with the tragic events of September 11.
I never said he was. Yet there’s plenty of evidence that his regime was certainly involved with major terror organizations, including al Queida. That’s enough for me.
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Respectfully,
Robert “Bob” G. Schriefer, Ph.D.
I think michael jackson is peter pan. He flew through my window last night in a green costume and sprinkled fairy dust on me. then we flew to neverland mansion and he gave me warm milk and cookies, and told stories with tinkerbell and the lost boys. Michael Jackson is my friend and you’re just being ignorant!!
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F U Mother fucker!
Let’s be fair. Madonna was a newbie songstress when I was in the Navy. (big hit: Material Girl) Her song’s, video’s, etc seemed to be non-political.
Even after I was Honorably Discharged from the Navy, Madonna was doing classics like ‘When You Call My Name It’s Like a Little Prayer’. Again, non-political.
Now she is going political and wants no criticism? Bovine Feces. She is a traitor just by giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
tariq aziz with all the other arabs can blow me!!!
There is a good possibility I would not be writing this response to you, had not the US dropped the 2 atomic bombs on Japan. My father was packed & ready to leave California to take part in the invasion of the home islands of Japan. He was in a unit that detected enemy radio transmissions & would be going in with the first wave of troops. Similar units has 60-80% fatality rates on D Day. Needless to say, his chances of survival were slim & consequently my chances if ever being born(March 1947) were slimmer still.
I get so angry every time an anniversary of the dropping of the bombs comes about. My father is here & has had a productive & valued life. His children, grandchildren, & great grandchildren are leading productive & valued lives. Would the misguided idiots that call themsevles “peace advocates” want hundreds of thousands of Americans & Japanese to have lost their lives rather than drop 2 bombs that ended the war?
Probably so, but thank God, most people are more sensible & not such kneejerk left wing nuts.
Lynn: Dittos. You and I are on the same page.
My dad, who’s currently in a rest home recuperating from his second knee replacement, was also in the South Pacific during WWII, though he was back stateside near the end. It’s ironinc, but he’s expressed a bit dismay over the current tone out of Washington, but he’s hardly a peace advocate. I give him some room because of his experiences.
As for the current crop of protestors, well, that’s what sites like this one are about. Agree or disagree, it necessary to discuss these things in a thoughtful and analytical way. Even though we’re always right.
Your just a nut. Gephardt has a great plan that will help all of us.
LOL….I feel sorry for the mother..you know the kid has to be using her bladder for a trampoline and her ribs as monkey bars
I think a line needs to be drawn between the tree-hugging, animal worshipping crowd who propose that animal and plant life is more important than human life and the rest of us pet owners who see pets act or look a certain way that makes us think there’s more to them than what we think…I know I’ve done that on occasion.
dwite: no doubt. I’m a big horse lover myself, and when I’m around those animals, I swear they know what you’re saying or thinking. Then I have to remind myself that they’re just looking for the carrots. My cynical entry shoudn’t hide the fact that, like the poor man who was killed, we can and should love our pets. They’re like babies; they count on us to care for them.
It’s kind of sad you’ve never got a comment.
well, you did. That’s a start.
This site is pretty new, so people don’t know about it yet.
Keep coming back.
Just came here from RWN…I’ll be back…site looks good…keep up the good work
Got here also via Right Wing News. I like your blog very much!
Patty, dwite: welcome and thanks for the kind words. The door is always open.
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Very helpful information.
They forgot to mention that SPF 20,000 sunblock may be needed in the near future.(Kill them all! Let allah sort them out!)
I LOVED this article – probably because I’m one of those “indie artists” that will continue to get ignored by the system…….but also because I really LIKE the idea of a Ramones Musical. I’ll save a ticket for you, front and center, when the time comes (oh, and it WILL come, mark my words!)………
Peace,
Kenn
Kenn: I’m anxious to see the dance numbers that will emerge from tunes like “Teenage Lobotomy” and “Beat on the Brat”. I can’t wait.
Good stuff that, thanks all jim@moorewatch.com
I WONDER WHY PEOPLE CALL THE BRITISH PEOPLE STUPID. ENGLAND IS OUR FATHER COUNTRY. WE BROKE OUR INDEPENDANCE FROM ENGLAND. I THINK SOME PEOPLE ON HERE NEED TO UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT COUNTRY, DIFFERENT CULTURE, DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES, DIFFERENT UP BRINGING. I AM SURE WE ARE STRANGE TO OTHER PEOPLE ALSO. MY WIFE IS FROM ENGLAND AND I WOULDN’T HAVE ANOTHER AMERICAN WOMAN. SHE IS THE BEST.
One thing is for sure, American’s are seen as the dumbest nation the world over. That’s not to say that all American’s are dumb, because they’re not. The point is that if you go to Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, basically all of the English speaking world, the consensus is that Americans are dumb. Israelis, French, Germans and so on all also all agree. The point is that few people who are intelligent are running the infrastructure of the country.
The Hollywood producers, the great actors, the doctors and scientists etc etc etc are all intelligent. The majority of the population however, everyday people, are not bright at all. The statistic that only about 8% of Americans own passports and only 15% of that 8% have ever used them speaks volumes. Quite often in life, Americans never leave they’re own state!! How can they be educated in the ways of the world, not sharing experiences with others. I know you think ‘well why should we leave America, it’s such a great and beautiful place’. Yes it is, varied and interesting. But nevertheless there is an entire world out there beyond NYC, LA, Florida etc. Britain is great but we travel and share cultures.
Michael Moore is an American who thinks outside of the box. This is why he so well respected in the UK, because as an American he can step back and pinpoint his countries misgivings, much like the best human beings do for their own personalities. Also like the people in the UK he has wicked sense of humour and is not averse to taking the pee out of himself or his country.
Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of us
the Brits along with the rest of communest loving Europe can go F**k themselves, As for that fat piece of shit Moore If he hates his county so much why the hell doesnt he leave. the french (frogs) would welcome him with open arms.
Yeah Moore is well respected and liked here in Britain. So what? And by the way, Europe is not a communist continent. Last time I checked, there are VERY few if any communist countries. Also, the general idea in Britain is that Bush did cheat the election, and is gung-ho for war. Those are 2 reasons why Bush was so badly recieved on his visit here. I think people in America take criticism too seriously. You can dish it out, to the French, the British, Mexicans, Japanese, Chinese, Germans. Name any country, you insult it, but when someone insults you back, it’s “they’re backwards”, “we’re better than them”, “we’re right, they’re wrong”. Yeah, Moore is not perfect, but neither is America, much as you all like to say it is. Take a chill pill guys, hating a man for a measly book stating a different opinion (IS THAT SUCH A CRIME? TO BE DIFFERENT FROM YOU??????? TO STATE AN OPINION????) is such a pathetic thing. In short, it is your going over the top over such a little bit of criticism that is the reason he writes these books, because you just can’t take a different opinion, or any criticism of your “perfect” country. Mind you, if you read our newspapers, you would find we’re not hot about Bush, and that Tony Blair is in bad esteem right now. That’s all I have to say. You won’t have liked this post because I told the truth. Every person I know who read Stupid White Men thought it was great, because it confirmed what we ALL think of Bush, except Blair, and he’s dog food anyway.
anericans are fat lardy shit faced meat heads who produce very few people of a high level intellectual capacity. most americans are dumb and are diluting the worlds level of intelligence. and if anyone doest go along with their POV they are killed or at least declared war upon
If Americans are so stupid then how could it be that they have created so much high technology?
Hahaha! And if the high technology there is because some people from England and Germany and anywhere around the world came to America to work for them in their labs, developing the inventions, while the Americans ‘keep’ the inventions, secret from the rest of the world…I wouldn’t say Americans are so stupid. I would say that the rest of the world who condems America are envious and jealous. America is the most powerful country in the world and they didn’t get that way being stupid.
You folks…no one is so stupid. I think you all take your emotions and personal side too far. Do some research. The whole earth is full of intelligent countries of people.
Sincerely, A Canadian.
AMERICANS ARE DUMB FAT F**KS
in reply to janet,i think you will find that america is the most powerful nation on earth because it kidnapped millions of black people from their own country to work for nothing to feed the fat white settlers.the worse thing is america now blames its ills on the black people!
Now I wouldnt dare stereotype but there seems to be an awful lot of blinkered people living in america,i guess its cos you are all quite insular and stuck all the way over there.Obviously there are intelligent americans,just as there are stupid british people.Its just such a shame that your country is being run by a cheating puppet monkey
ASSHOLES!!! us americans are not fat!!! we may be complete assholes to other countries but we are not fat! FUCK YOU
the british need to go do something other than sit on their fat asses and drink tea. godammit go fight a war or something. we could use your help in iraq.
Why do you talk about something that happened before someone of you was born ?
That’s so stupid !
Thats like when I’m talking in a chat with a english speaker and I’m saing I’m from German and they calle me “Hitler” .
Do you know what I mean?
This is unbelieveable. If you go back and read my original post, I wasn’t making the blanket comment that the British are stupid, which some of you seem to think I’m implying. Please note that the title of my post is supposed to be a play on the title of Moore’s book. It’s parody, ok?
My comments were meant to point out that there are people (who I believe are “stupid”) who take Moore’s work as the truth and the things he says as having some relationship with reality. In fact, I would think our British friends would be pretty insulted over the way he acted in London last spring (the link is in the above piece).
In fact, I would say the piece has more to do with how much of an asshat Moore is than with how stupid the British actually are. And most of them aren’t.
Looks like I have some comments to delete, too.
Listen to yourselves you’ve lost your senses
Im not saying that the British are upsetting or evil in any way,but they are stupid
Ever seen Monty Python?
Get with it you Losers
Screw YOU
All NON AMERICANS CAN FALL DOWN AND DIE, WE’RE NOT AS STUPID AS THOSE FREAKING BRITS WHO THINK THEY CAN JUST TAKE WHICHEVER THIRD WORLD COUNTRY THEY WANT. GET A LIFE YOU FREAKING FACISTS.
Susanna you really do talk shit! and i bet you have never been out of your world-polluting country. Dont get me wrong though i quite like yanks. Ive been to America and so i think i know a little bit more about your country than you do mine (the UK). yes the majority of you are stupid and have no idea about the outside world, and yes you may have to hang that equally stupid flag of yours everywhere (even on dog kennels) just to remind yourselves where you are but in general i think you’re ok
Ps. I cant stand monty python either, absolute crap
i’m british and no american in my entire life has had any impact on me
I want all americans to die. the world hates you for many reasons. i personally always have. are we jelous of you. i dont think so. jelous of what exactly. wankers
OUCH! that hurt, not why dont u fuck off with your crappy british insults , wankers doesnt even sound like a real word why dont u speak real english not that shit u talk.
Fags.
wankers is a word, meaning a group of people who masterbate alot, secondly your language is our lanuage first so he is speaking proper english and not the simpler american version- and saying fags to a brit means you are offering him a ciggeret. to susanna, we took which ever third world country we wanted over a long time ago and have since given them back a very long time ago ( world war two infact) we have a long history of taking other countries because we were the power house of the world and could do what we liked. a bit what america is like now
oh..Ouch you’re a tosspot
There’s some angry people out there!
I like American women, because they like the English accent and its a great way to pull your women! He he.
Be greatful that you have the freedom to insult each other in this infantile way. Many people to not have such freedom.
My experience with british people is that they like to make themseleves look good at others expense. Right now I know that my life would be much happier if the british people in my immediate vicinity here horribly mutilated.
Thank you for letting me vent.
I love the U.K. AND I love the U.S. Please stop fighting people. Why not educate each other instead of spouting useless insults. I am not very fond of my country and especially the President, but for britons to say that we are stupid and deserve to die is insane. Come on, everybody hates something about every country. The U.K. and the U.S.A are to of the most powerful countries in the world. They are also the 2 countries that hate each other the most. What can we do to change this??
I Have been to the US and met a lot of people and I can tell anyone who calles Americans Dumb you are wrong as a brit i found it annoying that people thought i was french or Irish?? but the general public are just like anyone from any other country. Most of them being friendly and interested in you. the same goes for canadians. In every country there are dumb people and smart people. I dont understand why people thing name calling is going to make any difference becuase if people don’t agree they wont listen to you.
The British are a bunch of rasists in desguise, but more importantly the British have a superiority complex they just can’t break. In fact they are acting stupid trying to win over everything and everyone. The problem is that unlike the USA with the same complex, the British don’t put their money where their mouth is. The US no the other hand does put their money where their mouth is. You have to talk the talk and walk the walk if you want to succeed, and thats what the USA is all about. The British only talk the talk but can’t walk the walk, and I hope it stays that way so the world can have a laught at the British complexes. Laughing at their pompous ass false sense of pride and self esteem dwindles their little psyche and annoys the hell out of them, and I for one love it. All those proper, courtly manners are really a desguise for stupidity which stems from decades of discrimination of other nations. In conclusion, what goes around comes around.
Cheers Mates,
Idiot!
The person who started this board is Irish …Therefore I suggest he has an inferiority complex about being Stupid himself. By act of birth in Eire. For Americans reading the board…The British see the Irish, as an American would see the Polish, and continue to tell jokes about them being slow witted. The world began and will end with Great Britain at the helm. No other country has had and contintues to have such a massive impact on the world. Why? because we try harder, learn faster, think faster and have more knowledge! Why? Because we have BEEN America. Britain has been America before??? (In my admitted arrogance It’s at this point I expect most Americans to scratch their heads and rush off to get a snack for comfort). For those who remain > Britain invented Revolution, Freedom and Liberty…NONE and I repeat NONE of those words were invented on American soil by ‘An American’. Britain learnt her lessons hundreds of years ago mainly through in-fighting, and realsied it was all very pointless. America is in the early stages of learning the lessons the British have mastered. Great Britain continues to manipulate the US and has been since Churchill got the Japs to bomb pearl harbour in 1941. All the way up to September 11th 2001, and past. Great Britain STILL owns the United states. The British Civil War -aka- The war of Independence was an error quickly corrected. They just never told you. As an American you may well think of the United states as being the ultimate country. A country in it’s own right second to none and undisputed champion of the universe. Think about this…..how much food do YOU have in your cupboard? how much money do YOU earn? Are you living the life you want to live? Are you over-compensating with your ranting and raving because secretly you’re unhappy with your miserable life?. I strongly suspect the answer to all these questions is yes. America is a money making machine. Just as Great Britain was for 400 years. Only now the offspring of the British money makers have moved across the atlantic to ‘Great Britain West’ otherwise known as the Untied States of America. America doesn’t care about you unless you’re productive and even then it’s superficial at best. Get up from the computer…open the curatins…and go for a walk. Reality is waiting. I could go on all day educating you but I suspect only one or two people with any sort of brain will visit this board in the next few years.
You shouldn’t make negative generalizations about people based on where they live. Thats what they do in France.
Look you lot. Slag off britain and America as much as you like, but leave Monty Python alone for god’s sake. Is nothing sacred anymore
I’m the one who startes this all, and I think you need to stop slagging off on Monty Python, too. Holy Grail is my second favorite movie of all time.
And while you’re at it, stop slagging off one another and read the frickin’ orignial piece again so you can figure out that no one here is picking on the British or calling them stupid. This is a Michael Moore hit piece. What is it about this that you don’t understand?
Just wondering…
I think when it all comes down to it the Americans and the British are fascinated with each other, the only difference being the British knowledge of Americans and the US has to be far more accurate as we (the Brits) as a nation are bombarded with your news, media and culture, where as the American perception of the Brits is that we’re tea drinking, toffs who say bloody and chap allot, when infact the majority of us have regional accents, which most Americans couldn’t understand which is why we’re all perceived to have middle England tossy accents. It makes it easier. I’d bet a million that any American reading this hasn’t got a clue about real British culture. I reckon this is because the US is trapped in its own world and doesn’t want to take a look out side of its own borders, but who would want to if everything you wanted was inside them (apart from oil). You want prof? Look at yahoo UK in the news section and it will mention something happening in other countries. Can you say the same to yahoo.com? And before you say it, Iraq doesn’t count!
I teach British and American English in a European country. I am American, but have many friends that are British. Americans are not stupid. There is direction that this world is going and it’s involved with development and progression. In my history, I had family that was from England, but I am not English. I am American. America was liberated from the English with the help of the French, etc. English people think they are better. European people in general think they have a higher education so that makes them better. So then my question is who leads this world. If education was the demonstration of what you call being correct, why doesn’t it produce better progress. The so called “dumb” people make more progress that any three countries combined in the EU. Germany, Italy, etc. wouldn’t even be a country possibly today if we were as stupid as they say. I say rather that America in a certain sense is having to do the work of these countries that abandon a global unity. They say no to war, but don’t realize it’s because of past wars they have had the security they did. Anger produces results that lead to more anger, but ignoring current conditions and pretending that blindness is correctness is in reality stupidity. Are the British stupid? No. Are Americans stupid? No. If you say yes, they you express your stupidity because you don’t recognize the need for each other. As long as there are humans on this planet, there will always be conflict. Unity is when we work together not expose each other. I have seen more hostility from Europeans concerning America than there is in the Iran. At least they kill each other, we just wound each other almost fatally and think we did each other a favor.
Being American I can tell you that if Kerry would have won the election, America would have just become another Sodom and good for little. Bush, other than war issues, will at least keep the country a country. I hate all the anti-bush crap that exists in Europe. This only shows certain personality traits.
Every country has right and wrong elements. France, Germany, etc. left America high and dry in the beginning. I could be angry with them. I met a French person that was going to America and asked if he’d have problems. We must work together. If not, in the next few years we will either all become Muslim or some Eastern countries and going to need attention. All those so intelligent people who responed, what then should we do? Give up? Die or become an Arab? What’s a solution not another anger response…
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Watery beer, you’ve got to be kidding. It’s US beer that tastes like piss.
I have a cousin that is a NY State Trooper. A newspaper article that mentions MP Parrish and her moronic, anti-American quote (see above) is tacked up on the bulletin board of his barracks. Apparently another NY State Trooper faxed a copy to every NYSP barracks in the state and asked that it be posted up on their respective bulletin boards. That article is tacked up right next to various articles that mention Canadians booing the US National Anthem during various hockey games played in Canada.
Might I suggest that Canadians driving in the US hang American flags from their car windows.
I’ll hang an american flag from my dick.
Hey, Joe, you can try that. But I doubt anyone will see it flying.
I liked the Captain better than Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers was TOO NICE for my tastes.
Still, he was a television icon and I regret his death.
Every single blog I’m reading is saying something nice about Fred Rogers. I’m not surprised. He really was a hero.
I pray for the recently dead sometimes, and I guess I’ll send one up for Mister Rogers. But knowing him, I’m sure he will ask the Big Fella that it be credited to someone who needs it more.
I am 19. I grew up with Mr Rogers, and he is a hero in my book. My Mom never wanted me watching Sesame Street or any of the other shows that were on then(and they were remarkably tame back then). And I never objected. She didn’t want to encourage a short-attention span and instant gratification. Mr Rogers expected us to listen to him, so we did. He put things on our level without ever, ever being condescending.
Mr Rogers invited me into his world and played with me, even sharing his toys. I still remember the trip to the Crayon Factory. I remember seeing the Picture-Picture video of toothbrushes being made, and the trip to the Doll factory. And there was always time to feed the fish – basic responsibility was priority.
I remember hearing all different kinds of musicians slowly and carefully explaining their instruments and their particular art form. The Land of Make-believe was a real place. I figured out pretty early on that Mr Rogers was the one doing all those different voices, and I would sit there trying to picture that nice old man hunched over underneath the carousel or castle.
Even as I got older, I would still come running to sit in front of the TV if one of my little brothers or sisters told me one of his “Operas” was on. He made “grown-up” things cool, and made me look forward to finding out more about them for myself.
I caught myself tearing up like a big baby this morning when I read that Mr Rogers left us to go home. Unless I was sorely deceived somewhere along the way, this is a man who will hear His Maker say “well done.”
I find it interesting that in a time when we’re all really angry at a variety of people (the french, the Germans, Saddam, Osama, etc) that the death of a gentle, kind man hits people in such a profound way. I suppose this means we do have our priorities in the right place.
I don’t know if you’ll even see this since I guess I’m posting it on a pretty old update/entry/what-have-you, but I just wanted to point out that Mr. Rogers did show us that crayon factory, yes, but the remarkable thing is, Sesame Street did too!
I saw the Sesame Street version first. It started with a girl using a crayon, and then she looks at it and wonders how it was made, and then we see the video. The crayon was orange.
But, of course, Mister Rogers showed us a stamp factory and a sneaker factory, and a wagon factory… I loved those factory videos.
I did grow up with both Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. And I loved both shows.
If ANYONE EVER wrote a true Great American Novel, it was Sam Clemmens. The title of the book was Huckleberry Finn. Any narrow-minded asswit who want to ban that book because it has the word “nigger” in it should be dragged off and shot.
Teachers really should be able to use that book to show how Huck came to appreciate Sam for the MAN he was. That’s probably the most anti-racist book ever written. But the message is subtle and most people are incapable of seeing subtile messages.
What the hell. It’s all about oiiilllll anyway.
I notice that Oprah didn’t mention any of Twain’s book. I wonder how intentional that was.
One can only hope for the European cultural season to be scarred.
I wish I had written that.
In response…I CARE, ALONG WITH THE MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS WHO DO NOT SUPPORT OUR WAR.
It is just sad the people “interviewed” seem pretty ignorant, not experts on the matter.
I care, because it is time that entertainers who believe in PEACE begin to voice it, and if Michael wants to do with an old, never a hit song, than so be it.
Melanie: I’m glad you care. You should believe in the things that are important to you. But you have to lighten a little. Smile. George Michael is still a freak. We just like to have some fun with him.
Beautifully said. I hadn’t been able to figure out why all this attention go W’s faith when Clinton was always at prayer breakfasts. Now it’s clear. Nobody thought Clinton was geniune, but they believe that W is geniune… hence, subject to perplexity by the intelligentsia who can’t understand how anyone could bow to anything other than the intellect.
Curious.
Thanks, Patty. The Clinton receiving communion thing was just one of those totally outraegous things he got away with as President. I can’t imagine George Bush doing this and getting away with it. Remember this, too: one’s presence at a prayer breakfast doesn’t mean one actually prays.
I was so saddened when Mr. Rogers passed. Mostly because I grew up saddened because I made sport of him for so long. Goodbye Mr. Fred Rogers. When I see you again, I ‘ll see that a lot of the angels will have retired their jerseys in your honor!!
Jack S. Karnes
jskarnes5@hotmail.com
Interesting… my previous post is missing.
Mr. Rogers is still gone from us & we’re still grieved but Mr. Rogers is still on on weekday mornings tho!
My God, can you imagine such a thing? “I’m so clever and interesting and creative and versatile, I will write brilliant children’s books!”
Bleah.
Still waiting on those chemical weapons, Joe. And the Iraqi people, still “starving and sickened” – even more sickened by the tons more DU we’ve strewn across the nation (wanna see pictures of “bodies twisted in torment”? – check out the pictures of the thousands of severely deformed babies born in Iraq after the first Gulf War due to our weapons of mass destruction) – are still waiting for the torture and killing to stop.
Boom! Acidman immortalized you on his blog.
Heh, heh… I was a lot nicer to YOU than I was to Jim.
Hear ye, hear ye!
Let all who enter here know that Acidman is a man of his word. And I need to check my outgoing mail on my host.
I don’t get it.
I think the whole idea is incredibly stupid. Why would the government take money to support these people when the economy is in a crisis? It is peoples feelings about the whole idea, but I find walking across a river and expecting the government to fund it because YOU want to have a war is the most idiotic thing ever, and whoever said it is a dolt.
While I must agree that, indeed, a more than ignorable number of student in the country that walked out on wednesday did do some damnable stupid things (Go to the mall, do whatever the hell they wanted except express their opinions), many students did leave for a cause they truly believed in. The point of a walk-out isn’t to adhere to the normal work-week, it is to illustrate that what we believe in is more important than our own immediate futures. Loathing these students for leaving a place funded by tax-payer money (in most cases) doesn’t show a clear ignorance of authority and logic, but the strong beliefs of a minority of the population who feels that they need to express their dislike for a perceived wrong which knows no continuous schedual or structured week.
And these looters were shameful and disgusting. I think they are a plight of lack-luster empty-headed morons who have no sense and should be severly punished, doubly-over for exploiting something like a peace-protest.
I still fail to see what the actions accomplished (not the looting, the walking out). Adhering to a normal work week is the responsibility of high school students, because they have a responsibility to themselves and their parents (remember us?). This does not mean that a well-informed high school student can’t have an opinion on what they believe is important, and it doesn’t mean they can’t express it publicly. My point is that there are more appropriate times and places to express those opinions.
And I disagree with your contention that what a child does in school affects his or her immediate future. My daughter attends an international baccalaureate program in a county high school. The program is highly structured and academically intense. Everything she does in this program affects far more then her immediate future. And at age 16, I’m going to make sure she’s keeping her focus on that part of her life during those times. If she was so moved by events that she felt the need to act, she can use what little free time she has.
Now, if this makes me sound like some kind of authoritarian, fine. In her life, I am the authority, and no matter what the condition of the world, I want her focus to be on her long-term future. I would not be a responsible parent if I didn’t act in this fashion.
All human activity is fleeting and passing. Whatever your opinion of the Iraq situation, it will eventually pass from us in one way or another. While some go forward into those dangerous waters, other remain home to carry on.
Here’s a suggestion: instead of protesting, why don’t those students find something constructive to do with their time? How about offering to babysit the children of a woman or man who’s spouse is deployed so they get have a little down time or go to the store? How about volunteering to do something constructive in the name of peace? There are plenty of people who need help or kindness in one way or another. Perhaps offering one’s time up for the sake of peace will provide a more constructive way of getting one’s point across. Perhaps then even crusty old war-bloggers like me will sit up and take notice and respect that individual for their beliefs and their selflessness.
As a high school student, I feel I am in an adequate position to say that 90 percent of students are too ignorant on world matters to either protest OR support the war. Of course, students are smart enough to repeat opinions they hear expressed on television and claim these opinions as their own, whether or not they honestly agree. Students protest the war because they see others doing so, and in todays society it is “cool” to take a stand. It is also “cool” to stand for PEACE and LOVE(especially while smopking dope). Most students are not educated enough to take positions on matters such as this, and therefore shouldnt have a right to protest.
Hi-I was in the protest against war when I was a student at Canoga Park High School and uh well, if you look in the right side at the top corner of the picture, you’ll see a blonde girl fixing her hair. Yeah, that would be me. I, to tell you the truth, did not steal ANYTHING and most people in this picture were at the wrong place at the wrong time. I’m one of them. People who got caught stealing on camera were expelled from the high school and I haven’t heard from them since. I got suspended for a day just for being in the picture. Oh well, it’s all ok now. But Dr. Thompson looked like a tomatoe when he was yelling at us. LOL! I just thought someone who was actually involved in this should say something. =) See ya at the next protest
You make an excellent point, but I think the response would be something like: “Instead of using troops, we need to *understand* and then stop making other nations hate us. Only by making other nations like us can we stop terrorism.”
While I find /this/ attitude as equally vapid and naive, you don’t really address. Their solution would be some kind of massive foreign aid giveaway to governments or NGOs, as if reform in Iraq can simply happen if we throw enough money at the problem and wait long enough for an opposition group to coalesce.
Mark: well said. Understanding ans spending (especially other people’s money) is often a solution for such people. I’m glad you addresses it. I suppose I didn’t because I would have gone on and on all day.
What sort of Marine barracks are “for the most part…totally defenseless?” It should be recalled that the Marines were in Beirut to forestall an angry takedown of the brutal (and hardly “defenseless”) Phalangist regime in response to their perpetration of the Sabra and Shatila atrocity (where truly defenseless refugees were butchered and buried alive for a period of hours). It should also be recalled that directly after the horrific casualties suffered by the Marines in Beirut, the US chose to bolster its military “credibility” (after a brief and impotent shelling of the Bekaa valley conducted from safely offshore) by invading Granada, a tiny island nation that could be reasonably characterized as, “for the most part”, “totally defenseless” in the face of the full brunt of US armed force.
I’m just curious, Joe. Who exactly are you and what the heck is this?
I am hoping that you are just a satirist and just trying to be funny, because I have never heard of you, much less given you any type of quote or interview. (And I don’t think the word Cha-ching has ever passed my lips in regards to anything…)
I can certainly see the humor in this, however some of my cousins who pointed this out to me have been concerned that I might have been a victim of the old Nigerian 419 scam. No such case, as I have reassured them.
Perhaps I’ll peruse through this site just to get a bit of the flavor, and check with you later.
_Marty Johnson
Hello again Joe. I just got another letter from someone worried about me. I assured them that your story was satire and that no such plans regarding the sending of money (in either direction) were being made. I hope your blog is going well!
-Marty
HI,THIS IS JIM.This messege is being posted on Wednesday February23,2004.This messege is for NIgerians who offer people big money.Please send me your offers.I have never gotten a Nigerian big money offer.My mailing address where you can send the offers is 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd.=1-145 Los ANGELES,California 90034.Please start sending me the offers now.Thank You
How’s it going Joe?
I just got back from two weeks in Nigeria, finally meeting my father and brothers and sisters for the first time. They are a wonderful family and it was a great experience. I plan on going back sometime in the near future and take my wife and kids with me. Watch for either the October or November issue of GQ Magazine- they are doing a story on me and my trip. (I know- insert your own joke here, but it’s true. One of their senior editors and top photographers went with me.)
I tried to write to “Jim” who made a post after mine so I could forward him the list of Nigerian money offers that I have been compiling for the past several months, but the his link doesn’t work. If you want some samples, let me know. I have plenty I can send you.
Best wishes,
Marty Johnson (or my Igbo name given by my father- Chinenye Martin Ogike)
Will the owner of this site please remove this ridiculous load of nonsense. God only knows where you got all silly quotes about Saddam, Hitler and so on. This material has never been said by us and I suggest you remove it straight away, as what you say is libellous.
Please remove it now
Craig Hamilton-Parker
That is a money quote!
“But Stalin said Saddam would really nead it…”
Mr. Parker, Shut up!
Don’t like it here go elsewhere.
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Kraus
“Mr. Parker, shut up!”
I have no problem with any of this stuff (it was actually pretty funny), but if that really is Craig Hamilton-Parker, he has the right to say what he did – and I’m not sure but a court might find this libellous since his name is being used, even with the disclaimer. Just a thought.
Mr. Hitler did at times generously donate to the I.R.C. He felt it necessary to help those less fortunate. He gassed only those who wanted hand-outs. It’s a fact.
Kraus
hmmmm… that one’s sooooo hard to caption, only because there’s so many possibilities…
here we go:
In the dark recesses of where man has trod before, we bring you, THE MADONNA ZONE!
I’m trying to imagine the pickup lines she doesn’t have to use to get the attention of some unsuspecting male.
This site is sick and chauvenistic.
Beautifully said.
was a Dixie Chicks fan and I am holding Natalie very responsible for their in the spur of the moment slur. Especially, for the fact that not long ago she had rude and crass comments for a fellow country artist who wrote and performed a song dedicated to the people of the armed forces and his father. She grilled him for singing this particular hit and did not hide her venomous disdain. Do you think she was crying for his freedom of speech like she is her own now? No, Natalie judged him how she wished to, now the same thing is happening to her and she don’t like it much. She put her foot in her mouth. She is just getting what she gave to another fellow artist and American who has his rights too. I couldn’t care less if anyone boycott’s her. I am. It could have been a mishap, but I have no sympathy for her. She is just as awful as she maintains everyone is being to her.
Very good post, Lisa, especially your point about Natalie vs. the other artist’s right to ‘freedom of speech’. She’s free to speak her mind, and the market i.e. her fans are free to respond as they see fit. A less-than-successful American tour would send a pretty clear message to this ditz.
One question, though. How in the *world* could you leave Janet “Baby-killer” Reno off of your sh*t list?
sorry, got a little confused
I *did* like Lisa’s comment, but I guess it was joedoc’s sh*tlist 
I’ll go back to my crayons now….
Acyually, Wylie, you don’t want to see my sh*tlist. Take you a month to read it.
Today, I added Liza Minelli.
One of my lib friends at work today whined about how Natatie had apologized. I responded, “You mean like Trent Lott?”
Perhaps Ms. Maines should step down as lead singer of the Dixie Chicks for the good of the band, the label and country music.
hope you guys know god loves you and you guys are safed. John 3:16 I love you all and hope you all come home soon and all safe. You have more guts then I do to go over their and fight this nasty war. Just get in and get out. I hope you got saddiam. AMERICA KICKS ASS. love you guys and prays all the time.
Im Proud to be an American! Because we have men and women risking their lives for our freedom and for the freedom of others! My husband is now part of that team!! May god bless you all and bring you home safely to your friends and family! Be brave, stand tall and remember WE ARE AMERICAN AND WE ARE PROUD OF IT
SINCE WHEN? does a news weak planted press freak in Iraq report directly to Hillary Clinton? What were the instructions before arriving in Country?
1- we have to make America look bad.
2-we have to exploit the success of the liberation of Iraq.
3-we have to undermine the morale of the military
4- we have to encourage more terrorist acts
5-we have to show the American people they are losing the war.
6- be sure to get pictures of more dead Americans
7-get good shots of oil burning pipe lines and broken water lines
8- shout 100 x it’s not working holding an electrical cord.
9-try to report this exaggeration on FOX
10. come home and campaign for Hillary bin laden, get medal.
I just lost my dinner appetite. I turned on Fox at 5:30 PM 8-18-03. Big mistake! Fox has no one in Iraq tonight and they are at the mercy of a news weak reporter who is trying to out lie the New York Times. Talk about a Clinton opportunity to bash the war effort. This al quaeda with an American accent went to town. It was like putting a drug addict in charge of the meds.
He was as subtle as a camel driver with two bricks. Fox should have checked his Swordi visa. Some one is going to come back to me and say he was reporting fair and balanced. Yeah sure and excrement comes in all colors.
Here we are worried about how many terrorists tip toed over the Canadian border during lights out and here imbedded in fox on my TV is demoncrat ninja news weak DISTORT OISE..
Look guys! If you want the truth send Uncle Tom with the bullet proof pizza delivery truck and we will win this war between slices. The truth is Baghdad has more electricity than Brooklyn. Less Americans are dying in Iraq than died downtown New York on a nice work day. The reason they are dying there is so you can live to complain more about it here. LET ME SEE YOUR FLAG PIN.
We know the bad guys want to ruin the party but free Iraqis are on our side. The sooner we stop the bad guys the better off the whole world is going to be. One year from now Iraq is going to be the best tourist spot in the Middle East. IRAQIS WILL SING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. Who are you going to believe? Abutom the Rasuli of Kabir Tuffah with lights or another FLAG BURNING death inviting, crying, whining, finger pointing, dinar passing demoncrat under contract from news weak.
KEEP THE FAITH, NEW YORK SUPER DOOPER WAQBAH!
http://www.soap2.com
Where is Sadaam? I say Bush gets him by CHRIST MASS. Santa Claus is coming to down. Just look under the hanging tree. Bush always seems to be in the right place at the right time. A pitchers mound in New York 911 stadium. Ground Zero USA! USA! USA.! He descended from heaven twice. Once to appear with his beloved military on an aircraft carrier to thank them for their mission acomplished. The second time to serve his military Thanksgiving dinner and thank them personally for their tremendous service to our Nation.
First to hang by the chimney with care will be Al Douri, then the third guerney at Baghdad Airport will be filled in time for Bush Eid. The last one he is saving for 911 in 2004. He will walk out of the Iranian hills with Osama draped over the saddle saying Don’t mess with TAXES. The economy is back, the 401k’s are coming back to life. If you call the Whitehouse he will get you a job. Iraq is converting to dollar dinars. Already the Arabs call the great won G.W. (peace and low gas prices be upon him) Tariq Mumtaz . This translated means star of wonder. Ok everybody sing together. Westward leading
still proceeding, guide us to, you know the rest.
Hillary and Reed the shoe bomber went to Kabul and Americans were forced at gunpoint to sit next to her. She never served. She thought she was back in the whitehouse putting down the military. I heard she sent the cranberry sauce back and the mess hall is missing two folding chairs. Pretty soon we all will be fighting terror in the voting booth. If you never served your country or you are a surviving witness to the Clinton legacy don’t blame the Clintons. Blame your self. The Clintons had a lot of help. 40 DAYS BEFORE 911 48 SENATORS VOTED TO BURN THE FLAG ON RECORD. SJR.7. IF YOU FEEL COMPASSION FOR ONE DEAD AMERICAN IN UNIFORM. VOTE OUT THE SENATOR AND CONGREASEMEN WHO VOTED TO BURN THEIR SACRED BURIAL SHROUD.
IN THE RECENT VOTE TO KILL KIDS EXITING THE BIRTH CANAL 31 OUT OF 33 SENATORS WHO PLAYED EDWARD SCISSORS HANDS KENNEDY WERE THE SAME 31 WHO VOTED TO BURN THE FLAG. GET RID OF THE MOST DEADLY AND AMERICA WINS BIG TIME. IF THEY NEVER SAVED ONE KIDS LIFE THEY WILL NEVER SAVE YOURS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND SIX MORE UNDER BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD AND RICE.
CAPTAIN BOYCOTT-SAY GOODBYE TO HOLLYWOOD.
I AM WATCHING MEL GIBSON’S THE PASSION. HEY CAN YOU GUYS KNEEL DOWN IN FRONT! I LOVE BOYCOTTS, IMPEACHMENTS AND BACK LASHES.
MERRY CHRIST MASS EVERYBODY.
http://WWW.SOAP3.COM STAY ENJOY THE MUSIC.
i am free from irqa a am in the whilt house
how give a flying fuck about saddiam how san he is married to suben and they are going to kill you and tony big ears and the queen the old beedy they got the most powerfull gun in germany and they mist the queen and tony big ears because tony fly of
i pray your in good health and i’m praying for you and all the men out there i miss you and wish you could be here with me.
love,
your lifes joy
i was in vienam war and i know what you are going through hang tight and lean on the lord becasue you will need him.
I hope you active duty personnel get to read this. There’s a lot of bullsh*t going around here about US troops. Well to h*ll with all of that– we love all of you and we support your mission.
I’ve been in the service, but I was on subs (boomers) and never saw combat. We used to joke that when we see combat, it’ll be when everyone else is out of bullets
) I can’t imagine how tough it is out there for all of you. I can’t imagine losing friends, and having rounds whiz past my head, or to be wounded far away from friends and family. As a result I cannot ever express my gratitude for each of you and your efforts.
Please know that the punks on the left and their a**hole buddies in the press aren’t phasing most of us. We want you to win, and come home safe and sound as soon as possible!!!
God bless and protect each of you!!! God give us victory and peace!!!
good luck black watch from cumbernauld
Hehe… Not smart to go to war.. but since your already fighting i hope you dont kill to many.. not good.. and dont pray, it make you stupid and distracted…. god wont help you.. have you ever seen a man being killed by god? no.. your the war not god..
While I’ll agree about Daschle being a whining, liberal sock puppet, bottom line is that Bush KNEW about the bullsh*t, bogus info about Iraqi nukes and the trumped up Al Queda connection. To say you believe otherwise means you’re either a fool or just a lying card-carrying Republican hack! That would be like saying you believe that Ken Lay is innocent of any of the evil-doing at Enron – yeah, that’s a f*cking hoot!
You’re funny.
Good essay. You’re right about all of it. I especially want to make the point that Bush is a man of principle and honor.
It’s funny to read this now when the news of Liza’s split (they don’t say Liza and David because he doesn’t matter anymore) has just come out. They simply used the war for their own purposes. As entertainers see it, reality is just a backdrop for their own theatrical play.
Yes, I loved Liza in Cabaret and am truely sad to see how badly she’s handling life as she ages gracelessly and using her mom’s tragic personal struggles as an excuse to behave badly.
Also, Jenna, go suck eggs ;?D! Bush is a lying, immoral knucklehead dancing to the tune of Big Energy, The Evil Pharm Empire and his Princely buddies in Saudi Arabia! Go shovel your Republican tripe where the Pigs of Power (AKA the Aristocracy of the Rich) will hear your pusillanimous prevarications!
(OK, was that over the top….)
Hey Joe, Cronkite is right, and you’re an idiot!
Ron Silver is my hero.It’s nice to see that he’s not a “Hollywood robot”. what I mean is that it seems the liberals are all programmed to think,act,and speak the same.It’s like they have no individual thoughts.At least Ron sees the big picture and can think for himself. He also knows what he’s talking about,unlike many in his profession.
I thought he looked rather like the late lamented Jennifer Patterson of Two Fat Ladies. Except for the mustache. Maybe she’s not dead after all?
Brian: can we get a photo? We can add her to the array.
Never mind. I found her.
Uncanny!
Those of you brought here by sf.indymedia’s website via this link:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1588871.php
Just in case you’re too dense to figure it out, this post is a joke. No one’s going to piss on you. You might want to explain this to JohnnySporto, who placed the story on your site.
You know they are too stupid to figure it out even after you tell them.
Here, here, Joe! You’re SO right on with this…
A german “buddy” of mine touted this trite to me and constantly referred to it in our debates on guns and crime rates and the bogus stats quoted on anti-gun sites for months.
Anyways, to make a long story short, I never bothered to watch it, but did want to know what it said and found the site by the gun lawyer which tears it apart and referred him to that. After reading several other equally biting critiques I saw no point in ever seeing this crap nor will I ever bother.
It’d just piss me off and I for one don’t enjoy being aggrivated.
He needs to be sent to Gitmo…call it a crash diet…
You know what? The more you attack Moore, the more popular he becomes. Just like Moore’s expose of North County bank invited a surge in new accounts from folks who just wanted that free gun.
Moore deserved his award as much as Jimmy Carter deserved his nobel – they got them just so the organizers could make a political point.
Shanti: Right. And that booing on Sunday night…probably an act. When the cameras are off them, I wonder what those folks really think?
Roosevelt also said:
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And he also said:
Speak softly, but carry a big stick.
Roosevelt also said:
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
whoops. sorry about the double post.
Hmm…somebody isn’t taking care of their skin very well.
Hmm…somebody isn’t taking care of their skin very well.
LOL…..very good.
Go Yankees.
Arnett is self-imporant, self-absorbed individual who wanted his 15 minutes of fame, yet again
Now he is history – forgotten history
Outstanding!
blah blah blah
Is this true? It’s very interesting if it is. I always download and install the newest security patches on my computer, and have a firewall even though I’m on a 56K modem, I get ping requests all the time.
This is obviously made up. Just look what they CLAIM Bill Gates said. He clearly would have not used that coice of words! Come on!
Good luck with it…. trucks rule! I have a ‘99 Chevy S10 which I bought brandie-new (12 miles on the clock when I bought it and I put 4 of them on with the test-drive!)
I don’t like driving trucks. But maybe that’s because the ones that I’ve driven were a piece of crap. So if I had a nice one maybe I would like driving it.
Thank you. I believe you wrote one of the best editorials on the “Bush Speech” I have read. Black and white – crisp and clear – much like our terrific President. When will the left get it? The majority of Americans appreciate and admire a leader with the qualities of President Bush. He is remarkable and I am very proud to have him leading our country.
Wow…you took me right back to the time when I was an avid follower of the Derby. It’s been so long…
Damn it JOE! I ran across your site tonight, and decided to do some reading. This piece is FUCKING INSPIRING….sorry for my French (I am trying to avoid French) ha ha
No kidding…as I was reading this…I sensed it gathering momentum….I think it must have been a release for you. I don’t write very well, but you have helped me with some of my anger today.
Thanks!…………Keep ‘em coming…I’m putting this on my favorites…..
Sorry for my bad english but I was pleased when Georgie won again.I loved it because now we can finally get rid of America in Europe(The old world).Anyway the ones that stayed behind in Europe were not cowards like you and you,re fellow Americans. We managed to make a much better Europe when your you and Your anscistors left.We don,t need You and your country is gonna fall deep deep down. I love America but not this America.Sorry Mate
That was you? I figured the good Senator lost control of his bladder. I’m relieved to know he didn’t relieve himself on himself.
Well, I haven’t done it yet…but I’m gettin’ ready. It’s that voice…it’s like fingernails on a blackboard…
Byrd Droppings gives off an aristocratic look, but his words deny him that perception as soon as he opens his mouth. I have given this some thought….you know how the Dems figure Bush will use the photo op in the campaign….I say the Bush campaign would do best using Byrd and Waxman in a side by and have the caption….YOUR CHOICE..these guys or me! That would carry 49 states…maybe 50 if California gets scared enough of those N. Korean nukes comin’ at Hollywood….I can see Michael Moore now, he’d be the one pee’in and crying…’protect me…protect me’ I threw my gun away!!! ha ha
Go ahead and pee on Byrd’s leg. I like it when you do that.
Hell I like when when ANYONE does that.
I read with interest your article complaining of the baseball blackouts in Florida. Do you know who in Congress may be sympathetic to pushing a change down MLB’s throat? If you think you have it bad there, try living in Vegas and see what you get. We do get a (very) few telecasts from the Dodgers, Angels, Padres and Diamondbacks. However, most of such telecasts are not picked up by our local stations. Meanwhile, we are considered in the blackout area of (at least) the Dodgers, Giants, A’s, Angels, and Diamondbacks, so sometimes as many as five of the games carried on the Extra Innings package I subscribe to are blacked out on a given day. Some days it seems they blackout the Rockies too just to add insult to injury. I’m a Braves fan (proving the team you can see the most on TV may become your favorite) having become one while living in Hawaii and getting virtually no games there but the big networks’ games and TBS (that was pre-Extra Innings, etc.) At least Extra Innings lets me watch the roughly one quarter of braves games not on TBS. Those on Turner South (a regional network) are shown on Extra Innings (unless of course they are playing one of the 5 teams listed above as blacked out here). Thanks for providing someone I could vent to, but if you know any better targets, let me know. Regards, Bill Cobourn
Just read your article and boy you said it all. I am also in Florida and pay 159.00 for the season of Extra Innings. All I get are the live Yankees games and this week I was blacked out two days in a row.
Margaret:
Where in Florida are you? I’m in Orange Park, up near Jacksonville.
I’m curious about something. Do you get the package on DirecTV, or through
one of those digital cable deals?
I wondered because other then the Friday night game against Toronto (which was only shown locally in NY on WCBS), I got every game this week: Boston on Monday afternoon (I missed it because of work) on YES, Tuesday vs. Cleveland
on YES, Wednesday vs Cleveland on ESPN (alternate feed), Thursday vs Cleveland on YES. Oh, yesterday’s game was blacked out because of the Fox Saturday rule. If the game had started an hour *later* than it did, I would have seen it on YES.
On DirecTV, I not only get all available games from all teams, but I also get all the “alternate” ESPN games. On Wednesday nights, ESPN usually has one “main” game they show throughout the country. However, in the cities for the
two teams, the local/cable stations have the rights, so they usually show two “alternate” games in those regions. I get all of those games on the dish, so a lot of times, I get a Yankees game that would normally be blacked out.
I’d be interested in what kind of arrangement you have. Maybe I can convince you to go DirecTV…and, no, I don’t work for them. I just hate cable.
Joe,
While I do agree with you that 30 MLB teams are too many, I don’t agree with you that the talent is spread too thin. MLB has never had a bigger talent pool from which to pull in its history.
As I’m sure you’re well aware the US is going sort of a 2nd “Baby Boom”. Back when I was a kid (just a few years ago, relatively) I remember the estimated population of the US was 225 Million. Now its closer to 280 Million. That’s an increase of 55 million in 15 years.
Also, consider the game’s popularity in the Carribean and Central/South America, essentially to the point that in the Dominican Republic, any male under the age of 16 either plays baseball or gets his butt in the sugar cane fields. The game also is becoming popular in Australia, Italy, England, and has been popular in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan for years. I don’t have the time to do the math but I’d guess that the talent pool in 2003 is more than double the talent pool in 1943 when you had 16 teams and only white Americans played ball.
Regarding why I think that there are too many teams, 30 teams would be a good number if baseball were the #1 or #2 sport in the nation, which it is not. It’s not that Tampa Bay, Kansas City or Minnesota are bad markets, their problems have more to do with bad management and the decline in popularity of baseball across the nation.
Also regarding contraction, how in the heck is Bud Selig going to propose contracting the Oakland A’s (my team)??? Never mind that the A’s were a charter American League franchise, or that the A’s have the 2nd most World Series championships in MLB behind the Yankees. No, no, no, let’s contract THEM. As a matter of fact, I may write an article about that…
Glenn,
You’re probably right regarding the talent pool, especially in Latin America, and the Asian countries, from which a lot of good ballplayers arre emerging.
But, I hold to my contention that 30 teams is too many for MLB. And, I agree with you that the overwhelming reason is management, especially in markets like Tampa. The problem I have with those bad teams is that they went through all the trouble to get franchises, only to wind up with ownership and management that don’t give a shit about putting a winning team on the field. Teams can do that in different ways; the Yankees have always spent money to get the “best” players, where a team like your A’s build with value, and reload after they unload the high-priced talent. The former is easy to do, but not all teams have the deep pockets, obviously, or the front-office expertise to evaluate well (Baltimore had huge payrolls for years and they haven’t sniffed the playoffs in decades). Oakland is one of those at the other end of the spectrum. I think Toronto and a couple of other teams are carefully managing to do a lot with a little, or the unexpected.
The question is why has baseball declined in popularity? I can think of a few reasons, but the biggest one is the man I blame for much of baseball’s problems, Bud Selig. He’s managed, single-handedly, to take the fun out of the game. I won’t go into all that here, as I’m planning on doing my own piece about it.
The A’s will never go away. I look forward to the Yankees and the A’s hooking up each year.
Oh, one small correction: Oakland is tied with the Cardinals for second place in titles. But, they’re still 15 below the Yankees.
I blame Connie Mack. And Charlie Finley too.
Two people that broke up dynasties because they thought they could get a winner on the cheap…
Joe,
I am in Zephyrhills and I get the EXTRA INNINGS package from DirectTV. Blackouts for me are at at avarage at about 3 amonth. I am not a baseball fan, just a Yankee fan so I only pay to watch the Yankee games. I get the YES channel when the game comes throught the EXTRA INNINGS channels which is 754-769, or so.(I can watch the game on either channel. The YES channel alone is not available with any package. Worse than the blackouts was the disappointment of losing Robin Ventura to the Dodgers.
Joe,
I just wanted you to know that I thoroughly enjoyed your extremely well written and well thought out piece. The bottom line, of course, is to eliminate or lessen the blackout problem. I’m not sure, but I suspect that YES can pay MLB for the right to broadcast Yankees Classics, Encore, et al, to out-of market customers, but chooses not to do so. Is that the case? If so, I have no idea how much it would take, but is there a way that the out-of-market Yankee fans, as a group, could make it worth their while? I think we need some leverage, and we’re not gonna’ get it one person at a time.
I just can’t figure this blackout stuff? Can someone help explain it to me? I live in Minneapolis. I am a big Yankee fan and would like to see some games. I would consider switching to DirectTV if I know I wouldn’t get all the games blacked out.
It is my impression that if I received YES via the sports package – I would get 0 games – each one blacked out.
I read the MLB Extra Innings package and I read that if a national TV station has national rights to a ball game – I will be forced to watch that game – (all MLB games will be blacked out). But if a Twins game is on my regional Fox network, it won’t be blacked out?
It’s really confusing to me. Seems like with the blackout scenario the way I understand it, I should get about half of the Yankee games? None of Sunday or Wednesday (ESPN) or a few others that may be broadcast on CBS, NBC, ABC etc. Sound right?
Thanks for anyone’s insight!
If you have a satellite system, you can get around blackouts. Ask me how. Digital Cable customers lose though
Yes, gianluca, I already know the trick of getting around blackouts…hacked access cards or using another zip code for your billing, etc. etc. Hassles I don’t need, thanks.
Hi,
It’s good to see an outlet for those who want to vent on their problems with MLB’s Extra Innings package. I found this site by way of “Googling” on that very premise.
I have a couple of problems with how MLB operates their premier sporting television package:
(1) I am a Montreal Expos fan — MLB hasn’t killed us all off, YET — in Canada. MLB has partnered exclusively with one of the larger cable providers here (available only in certain regions) and yet they BLACKOUT ALL Expos and Jays games, saying that the ENTIRE country is their market. So even if you live several thousand miles away from Toronto or Montreal (hey, it’s a big country) in MLB’s opnion, you’re still in their market. Does this make sense? Of course not. (By the way, the Expos didn’t have a TV deal in place last year, so there was nothing to compete with, nothing to black-out if you will!)
(2) Another problem I have with this package, is the premise of “out of market games.” If you’ve ever subscribed to the NHL’s Center Ice, or the NBA’s League Pass, you’ll know that if ANY of their games are being televised somewhere, somehow (within reason) it will be distributed on the package. That makes perfect sense, and it adds value to the package overall. You can see why people really enjoy these two packges…
So, how is it that the NHL and NBA can work together with its clubs and broadcasting partners to put together such a complete service, making MLB look like complete morons?
Hi,
I am completely confused about all of this as well. Last year we purchased the MLB package and the Sports Pak through Directv and got most of the Yankees games on 622 – YES. My question is, that Directv customer service could not answer, do I need both? I would rather pay $10.00/month for YES and not have to pay $149 for the MLB package. They are telling me that I need the MLB package and since I am not in the NY area I will not get any games on YES, but last year I got all the games on YES???
K:
You got the Yankee games on YES only because you bought Extra Innings. If you didn’t buy it, you wouldn’t, even if you have Sports Pak.
Here’s the correct, detailed answer:
The Sports Pak is just an extention to the basic DirecTV package. All Sports Pak gives you is all the regional sports channels available from around the country. You will not see any pro sports that are included in any sports packages (baseball, basketball or hockey) other then what’s broadcast in your specific geographical area.
Let’s say you live in Jacksonville, which is close to where I live. I would get Fox Sports Florida and Sunshine Network, because they serve my region, and they would be included in my basic DTV package. Any games on those channels will be available to me, like Orlando Magic or Tampa Bay Lightning games. I’d also get all Marlins and Tampa baseball.
I can add all the other regional sports channels with Sports Pak, and I’ll get any non-pay programming, but those out-of-market games on those channels will be blacked out, unless you pay for the individual sports package.
Now, remember, if you get Sports Pak, you’ll get YES. You get to see all the regular programming on YES, but Yankees and Nets games will be blacked out…unless you get MLB Extra Innings or NBA League Pass.
You don’t need both. If you want just the baseball, you can get MLB-EI. If you want YES for any other programming, you need to add it with sports pak.
I hope this clears it up.
I, too, have been dismayed by the stupid blackout rules, but I have figured out least part of the problem. MLB says they are protecting the local franchises and, yes, they expect you to drive up to 500 miles to see a “local” team or be able to get it on local affiliate TV, both of which puts money in the pockets of the local team owners. I feel I should be able to at least watch my “home teams” when they are on gthe road, but noway Jose. The problem comes from this; when is your local TV airing the game and when is the visiting team airing the game on MLB EI? It can be either. Apparently most of the cable and satellite people don’t know who is going to carry it via EI so they use computers to handle this and, therefore, are forced to black out both ends, the home and visiting teams and again, based on the ridiculous range. That is based on what I was told by a customer service rep at my satellite company and what DirectTV has provided via the following url: http://www.mohaveaz.com/directv/dtv.sports.blackoutrules.htm. Congress will never step in so about all we can do is collectively complain, at least for now.
Can anyone tell me what teams are blacked out in Omaha, NE? KC & StL for sure, but Min and Col?
I live in Southern North Carolina and can’t watch Baltimore games….they do not show oriole games locally and I do not get any sports network channel….how is this justified?? So a life long Orioles fan can’t watch his team at all..so now I have to drive lik 7-8 hours north to even get a game…forget about away games..just when I thought things didn’t make sense..it got more confusing…I CANT WATCH AWAY GAMES ON MLB TICKET!!! It is impossible for me to get orioles on my local station..impossible..I just want to say F*ck You to the MLB..you money hungry greedy sport reckin fags…
Nothing new to report other than the fact that I live in NW Wiscosnin and I get blacked out on the Twins the Brewers and both Chicago teams which are a 7 hour drive away
I think its a sign of the greed of Directv (owned by right winger Rupert Murdoch) and MLB headed by right wingers. They double tax us on the most basic things. I pay top of the line prices for directv premiere packages. The NBA league pass at least doesn’t black out the replays of my team the knicks. So in the slim chance that a game would be blacked out live, I could always count on the replay. Not so for MLB. What right do they have to blackout previously aired content. If you are paying for the regional sports networks, what right do thay have to black out shows such as yankees encore or mets rewind. I pay for that show. I understand not getting it live if its blacked out, but the next day? Its a ridiculous incursion on my rights and one that is basic to the profit first of the bush administration
I live in central fl. I just bought directtv EI and the sports pack yet i could not watch the game at yankee stadium this past week against the White Sox.
Is this because they want me to go to tampa (150 miles) I can’t seem to figure out when i will get yankee games which is what i care about. I get the Red sox no problem and other games.
John
Charlie;
You need to take the politics out of this. And you’re off base on a couple of things.
First of all, this has nothing to do with any alleged “profit first of the (B)ush administration.” This set of rules has been in place for a long time…through the entire Clinton Administration, for example.
The culprit here is MLB, not DirecTV. DTV applies the rules on blackouts because that’s how MLB sets them. They have no control over what gets blacked out, since MLB, as the franchiser/owner of the sport, tells them what they can and cannot show.
In fact, you may not have noticed that many of the non-game shows are no longer blacked out as they once were. Go here to see the message from YES network:
http://www.yesnetwork.com/network/index.cfm?cont_id=132596&page_type=wide
Previously, YES had to black out a lot of those shows because, according to what they had on the site up until last summer, those programs “contained material owned and licensed by MLB” which meant they couldn’t be shown outside of the local area without violating MLB licensing requirements. Apparently, they have worked a deal with MLB to lift those restrictions.
For what it’s worth, MLB has also lifted the Wednesday night ESPN blackouts of Extra Innings games, so there will be mmore games available.
As for the replays, there was a time when they were available in the clear, but what I believe happened was that MLB discovered that DirecTV was showing the games in the clear to everyone who subscribed to the Sports Pack (or one of the Premier packages that included all the regional sports feeds). So, essentially, you could catch a replay of many games on the dish even if you didn’t subscribe to Extra Innings, and MLB decided to put a stop to that.
Any restrcitions placed on any MLB-owned product or licensed item is placed there by MLB. In addition to what they do to satellite owners, they also screwed Internet users out of hearing live broadcasts of games on loacl radio station web sites. Now, you have to subscribe to some kinf of Internet package that allows you to get the games in real time over the net.
Many of thes restrictions have been put in place since Bud Selig bacame commissioner. This is a man who’s so tight, the coins in his pocket squeak when he walks. And until the rest of the organization realizes that by thinning the competition (too many teams in too many cities that don’t give a shit), and forcing more revenue sharing and taxes by those successfuly owners (like George Steinbrenner) that’s he alienating more fans then adding them, this is the way it’s going to be.
There’ nothing wrong with making a profit. Organizations wouldn’t exist if profit wasn’t possible. No one expects MLB to be a charity. Buy, by trubg to squeeze every penny out of every possible crack in the organization, they have misplaced their focus away from the fan.
By the way, one other thing I should mention for anyone visiting here about this issue. There’s a relatively easy way to solve the blacked-out replay issue: get a TiVo.
I added mine last winter and DirecTV has a $99 deal on them now with free installation (which you should take). You can pay for the unit over three payments of $33 each. This is simply the greatest thing ever invented. If you know you’re going to miss a game for whatever reason, you can set it up to record with a couple of button clicks, and you never miss a thing.
I’ve used mine for lots of favorite shows, but I love using it for a game I don’t want to miss. Yesterday, I had a lot of yard work to do. Set the TiVo up to record the game that morning, didn’t miss a pitch. Plus you can scan through the game, skip commercials, do your own replays. It is very sweet.
The only hassle: making sure you DON’T hear the final score before watching the recording.
If you don’t have one, get one. You’ll thank me later.
I’m a big Cincy Red’s fan and I live in the Houston area. I thought by getting Dish Network and subscribing to the All Sports package (Fox Sports Network) I could get the games I like to watch in those areas. To my dismay, College games and Baseball games are blacked out on those fox channels. I’m very dismayed about the whole blackout situation. How can you have programming if everything is controlled by the money grubbing Conglomerates that control this? I hope something changes soon. Why have all this access if it’s going to be tightly regulated.
I posted earlier but you obviously”misconstrued” my info. To get around “home game” blackouts, yes you need to subscribe to the sports package in question. But, by changing your service address outside the 90 mile radius, and keeping your billing address the same, Voila, no more blackouts. You have to get adjusted to “out-of-town” local channels and if you have more than one receiver, a whole additional bill. Worth it? Yes, I do it, but I only have one receiver
Where’s the hassle in changing billing address?
i live in NW Iowa. Have sat. My twins arent on FSN no more blackout out on EI Royals Brewers Chicago and Cards are also blacked out on EI. Also Royals are blackout on thier FSN station. i want to get rid of the stpid blackout rules
I just cancelled the Sports Pak from DirecTV because any MLB game that I wanted to watch was blacked out.
Are you saying that if I get the MLB Extra Innings and the Sports Pak, that I’ll be able to see all these games that are blacked out currently.
I live in the DC area and am trying to watch Cubs games on Fox Sports Chicago.
Im a PADRE fan, I live two hours from petco park. Im blaked out on everything that has to due with padre baseball. I understand that the culprit here is that used car salesman (THIEF) and the organization he runs. How do we send this forum to congress?
I have a rather unique situation. I travel in an RV, have 2 dish PTVs (same as tivo) I am a Diamondback fan and was planning to suscribe to EXTA innings until I looked at their blackout procedures. As long as they are on FOX, ESPN or another major station. I don’t have a problem. Many of the Diamondback games, however, are only on local stations. When that happens the extra innings channel for that game is blacked out. I cannot get Phoenix channels outside of Arizona because of the spot transmission. Dish and the Diamondbacks tell me that the extra innings channel is exactly the same game with the same announcers and the same commercials. If that is the case who have I hurt by watching the game on channel 650 instead of channel 3? Everyone I talk to says it is not our problem and we cannot do anything about it.
Does the different zip code really work? I have dish network and I live in Hawaii. I’m a die-hard Orioles fan, but I can’t get any of their games–not even through MLB package. I have to find a way to beat this…Hawaii doesn’t have much baseball and I’m going crazy over here(besides the fact that I live in paradise). Help…
Yes, the different address works. The problem, if you want to call it one, is that your local channels are New York channels. So, when you watch the news or any local show you normaly would on YOUR local channels. They are, in fact, New York news and local programming. And there is really no way, as long as things don’t go wrong and you need a service tech to come out to your house, that they will know you don’t live where you say you do. Just go for paperless bills. Again, this is quite the sacrafice for the team of your choice. Also, when you call the Directv to change the address. the change will happen while you’re on the phone with them, it’s that quick. Well. If that’s the route you want to go. More power to you.
Rusty
I live in Mobile, Alabama, and I can’t watch Tampa Bay Devil Rays games.
Yoko was is a bitch, Because the beatles broke up cause of her. She was a mistake!!!
Yoko is the reason why the beatles broke up
I didn’t like yoko because we lost everything. She just Married lennon for the fame.. We try to tell john but he wouldn’t listen.
I didn’t like yoko because we lost everything. She just Married lennon for the fame.. We try to tell john but he wouldn’t listen.
Its the truth
Yoko was is a bitch, Because the beatles broke up cause of her. She was a mistake!!!
Some people, referring to the sign, have just got to insert there head for self gratifacation.
Dose anyone know a good local place (oralndo) to buy detox supplies?? I have to pass a drug test…but im broke..any ideas
I noticed that Scrimshaw’s jockey was changed to Gary Stevens when Champali came down with colic the other day.
Of course I like fairy tale endings – which Funny Cide could provide and I wouldn’t count out Ten Cents a Shine with DW Lucas as trainer and Jerry Baily as jockey.
I’ve never been any good at picking horses (I don’t understand the speed figures and all that), and anything can happen during the race, so I just watch for the fun of it.
My only advise for the Belmont; don’t expect anything out of Ten Cents a Shine despite the big names of his trainer and jockey.
I like this commics. They are so funny! I read them every chance i get.
you should be ashmed of yourself you twat get a life
You do realize that once you become a full fledged redneck you can never come back to LI, right?
Heh. Yeah, I’ve been told that. However, I believe, through nearly 20 years of careful research, that I would have to commit the at least 5 of the following crimes to reach full ‘Neckdom:
1. Show *any* interest in NASCAR, especially by slapping a “In Memory of Number 3″ decal on the truck window.
2. Back to the truck: adding a bumper sticker with a Confederate flag and the statement “Heritage Not Hate.”
3. Losing *any* of my visible front teeth and not replacing them immediately.
4. Leaving any broken appliances on the front lawn or in the driveway.
5. Actually saying out loud that I am looking forward to attending the annual Clay County “Ham Jam”.
6. Using expressions like “Can you bust up this twenty dollar bill for me?” or, when asked a question where the answer is a simle “no,” saying “It sure ain’t, ma’am.”
7. Telling anyone from above the Mason-dixon line “We don’t care how you do it up north.”
and, finally…
8. Permenantly replacing the expressions “youse” or “you guys” with “y’all.”
Fine, we’ll let you back in, but you have to pass a test at the GWB toll.
You must be using Mapquest for your driving directions from Florida. I’d sneak in the back way — across the Goethals Bridge from the Jersey Tnpk, through Staten Island, and across the Verrazano. Then that rockin trip up the Belt Parkway. I’ll be in Ronkonkoma at Mom’s house before anyone knows I’m here.
Hey, get in line buddy. I’ve got at least 73 of these offers in the pipeline and am expecting my cash any day now.
I think I’d like to save all the e-mails I get like this, then add up the money in each one. Should be in the millions. All that money, over in Africa, just waiting to be…transferred. It boggles the mind.
um i got this email too and i thought maybe itsfor real very sad i really need the money right now.
hey,
i guess i need to make money.
Hi,
I agree, I need money. But where is it ?
“If you took all the money in the world and divided it equally among everybody, it would soon be back in the same pockets it was before.”
–A very rich man
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!!!!!!!!! Take it from an expert. I recieved a similar email 2 years ago,and have sent over 8,000.00 so this money will get to me. Finally after all the emails and phone calls stopped…I called FBI……They arrested the man in June of this year and he had plead guilty to over 10 counts of mail fraud and money laundring. He is in Federal prison in Cal right now and he will be sentenced this friday. They government siezed his 400,000.00 home and bank accounts totaling over 1,870,000.00. I am expecting my money back in a few weeks.
money is easy to make,you just need to know what your doing .find a product that evryone needs and is lacked market it properly on a wide range of people and you will become filthy rich…..
a person that made his money selling charckoal in boxes.
That lady who gave the money, the 8,000.00, … the “expert,” is an idiot. Who ever, with ANY kind of sense, would fall for this?
By the way, going door to door collecting for the “Ronald McDonald Foundation” is about as lucrative.
I’m so sorry. An invasion like that is hard to explain in words. But, basically, it takes away every bit of security and comfort you have. It’s a violation so personal that you seldom regain the calm you had prior….or at least, it takes a very long time to recover.
I’m wishing your parents a speedy resolution and a rapid capture of the asshat who did this.
Thanks, DG, I’ll pass your kind words to them. Fortunately, they weren’t there when it happened, and tough NYers that they are, they’re trying to take it in stride. This has happened to me, so I know how they feel. Just give me five minutes with the little *&$#@!.
“What makes woman happy?” That question will never be answered! Although Mrs. Zogby Blog, Melissa, is about the happiest person I know, and believe me, I have little to do with it.
My darling, She Who Doesn’t Use Technology, seems happy with me most of the time. Except when I drag shit in from the yard or refuse to rinse off my dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. (Isn’t that what a *dishwasher* is for?). I have to assume there’s some happiness there, otherwise she would have left me a long time ago.
I know it’s not because I’m like this guy.
You mean fictumentary film maker Michael Moore?
i believe michael moore.
MICHAEL MOORE IS ENTITLED TO SAY ANYTHING HE DAMN WELL WANTS TO SAY.
There’s a fantastic new website called Michael Wilson Hates Filmmaking.
It’s all about Mikey Wilson’s new home movie, Michael Moore Hates America, and how embarassingly amateurish it will be. Enjoy!
Hey Joe,
I’ve been checking out your site ever since my family wrote about the piece you did on me. (That has all been straghtened out now, thank you.)
I gotta tell you, I like your style- especially about the self-important attitudes of celebrities like Spike and Natalie Maines.
Interesting that today the judge put a temporary injunction from the name change until further review.
I wonder if Mr. Lee will sue to make Spike Jones change his name.
And what about all those parents who named their kid after Spike- will they have to go back to Michael, Tiger, Magic, Randy, Puffy and Juwann? (O.K.- so I really doubt anyone named their kid after Juwann Howard, except of course in the State of Michigan. But you get my point.)
I really hope that this silly little case goes back before the judge or the panel or whatever and is quickly disposed of.
Then, I’ll bet you’ll never see “Do the Right Thing” on Spike TV.
Sorry I won’t get to hear it – it’s on way past my bedtime. When one gets up at 3:30 AM (and is old), one has to think about things like that.
Oh well, have fun – I am sure you will do great!
For Christ’s sake. Yet another amateur critic, another pompous ‘expert’ on punk and the Sex Pistols, his knowledge cribbed from second-hand sources and a wildly overrated fictional film. This is just a pop group on tour, playing songs. That’s neither here nor there. As you so astutely observed, this is an exchange of goods & services for money: nostalgia and hopefully a halfway entertaining night out for the audience members, and money for the band. Aside from your incredibly self-important sense of what’s right and proper, derived from years of devouring masturbatory rock criticism in your bedroom, where’s the fucking harm? I’m going to see the Pistols because I wasn’t fucking alive during their heyday (so where’s the ‘nostalgia’ in this case?) Now I get to see them, and I’m excited about it. I’m certainly under no illusions that I’m going to be witnessing genius at work (this is guys like Steve Jones on stage, after all), or that it’s going to be a historic night to remember. It’s going to be a lounge act, musical theater, a bit of fun, a good laugh or two. Rotten will be every inch the professional entertainer he’s become and say a few rude things, just as he’s expected to. I’ll hear some old songs I like, have a few beers, and go home mildly amused. That’s just going to burn your ass, isn’t it? I recommend Preparation-H suppositories for that. Incidentally, the name of the album is Never Mind the BOLLOCKS, not Bullocks.
How can I argue with a spud who refers to himself as “Dick Jagoff”? How long did it take you to come up with that original moniker?
“second-hand sources”?
Let me tell you something, pal. I was alive during their heyday, and in fact, for a while, I lived two blocks from the old Chelsea Hotel where Sid did his little Nancy in. I used to see that moron on the streets a lot, and let me tell you, he was a cruel and nasty SOB. So, please don’t give me this crap about where I learned about the punk movement in this country. I spent more time in more clubs watching more of the seminal acts of that movement than you’ll ever know about. Please don’t give me this smart-mouthed crap about what you think I know or don’t know. I lived it.
As far was what you and your sorry ass are going to do with your money…fine, buy a ticket, go see the circus act, and enjoy yourself. The plain fact of the matter is that you’re not getting anything for your money other than a blalant attempt by four people who are looking to cash in on their brief stamp on pop music history and the succeeding flame-out. My intention wasn’t to pick on the Pistols…they just happened to be the latest in a long line of dinosaur acts looking to cash in on their past rather than create anything new. And, based on Rotten’s remarks regarding their last “tour” in 1996, they are only doing it for the money…he admitted it. If you read the piece, you’ll see that I do admire them for that one great record they did.
As for the film, what makes you think it was fictional? The plain fact is that, even though Cox took some liberties with some events and dialog, much of what you saw in that film actually happened. I know there’s been a lot of arguments about this among Pistols fans for a long time, but the series of events and their general occurrence are pretty close to reality.
Oh, yeah, as far as what I think is right and proper…this is my goddamn blog, and I can put into it whatever the hell I do think is right and proper. I don’t care about “rock criticism” because I don’t read any rock critics…haven’t in years. I find it much more cathartic to speak my own opinions. You don’t have to like it, and if you want to disagree or say something different, you can always start your own blog, okay?
In the meantime, when you come here, you could disagree in a more congenial fashion, like a gentlemen would. But, since you chose to act like an asshole instead, you’re going to get treated like one.
I do appreciate you correcting my spelling error, however.
Next time you come here, don’t be such a prick, okay? Disagree. But do it nicely. And don’t make assumptions of people about whom you know nothing.
I think I might have sent this twice,Im sorry if I have.
Hello,I am doing an assignment on the music industry,in particular Artist Management and I was wanting to use one of your quotes for my assignment,
“Their manager, Malcolm McClaren, managed to manipulate the band, now fronted by a green-haired singer named Johnny Rotten, into a huge personal cash cow by tweaking British society and royalty with obscenity and insults”.
could you please send me an e mail to let me know if that would be alright,to give me permission.It would be gratefully appreciated,thankyou,
Charlie
I understand your point and the whole idea of it all. But, I just posted about how bad a job Bloomberg is doing for New York City in relation to the NYT article about his 24% approval rate. So, in comparing what we are faced with now, Clinton seems like a great alternative. I think you said it best:
“The fact that current Mayor Michael Bloomberg has managed to alienate 90% of the citizens and that he may have no other serious challengers in 2005 doesn’t bode well for my theory.”
Clinton’s reception in Harlem, where his law offices are located, for example, demonstrates that he is likely to take a large portion of the African-American vote if he were to run for mayor.
Plus, his charismatic nature and the fact that NYC is largely liberal and largely Democratic is sure to factor in bigtime. Try and find any similarities between Bloomberg and the people of New York City.
You don’t have to rethink your take on the issue, but you may want to consider the possibility of hearing about Mayor Bubba.
I agree with some of your sentiments, Anthony, but I have a sincere hope that, inspite of his alleged popularity in the black community, the people of NYC will just plain know better.
Actually, I have to take you to task for the sentencs on finding similarities between Bloomberg and the people. Yes, I agree, the greater number of people in NYC tend to be liberals. And, what has Mike done in the year he’s been in office? Applied political correct attitudes to the recreational habits of the people (the smoking ban) and raised everyone’s taxes. That sounds pretty liberal to me.
As for Mayor Clinton, I’m afraid that if that were ever to happen, I would simply have to refuse to step within the confines of the city until he left office. I don’t think I could take the emotional shock of actually seeing that idiot as the Mayor of my favorite place on earth.
Of course, Mike still has time to turn things around. Remember, people didn’t like the way Rudy did things at first, either.
I think the Clinton’s believe they are Christ re-incarnated on the American people. There is nothing these infidels won’t do or say to get attention. Bill can only win large office if there are THREE candidates, it seems. I do feel very much ashamed as to how such a large segment of the public could even take these idiots seriously. I will never change my mind from the fact that the Clintons care about one thing: the Clintons!! When will we ever be rid of these awful people?! Just get them out of any office. They are a blight upon the land!
Ron, you hit it square on the head. What I fail to understand, after all the years of crap this nation’s had to take from these two, it that there are still people out there who don’t get it. How do you look at the record of these two and support them, no matter what your politics might be? It’s truly baffling to me.
Joe,
I found this on the hollywood halfwit site, and I think it pretty much describes our thoughts on “Billary”. The truth is, I think, that most of the morons caught up in the hoopla don’t care about who or what is running the country. They go about their business day by day, collecting their checks (that will always be there, of course). I mean actual paychecks also. Americans are always looking for someone to look up to, to make them feel good about their own laziness and lack of drive, being subject to and giving in to the temptations of the flesh, and not achieving anymore than the daily grind. We have denegrated into a nation of followers that will listen intently to the pied piper, but not lift a finger to help ourselves achieve any more than, as I said, the daily grind.
“Indeed, it seems the fascination with Hillary is just a hand-me-down from Bill. That’s certainly the lesson of all this book hoopla. Nobody cares about her ideas on health care. There’s no buzz about her views on national security. No one gives a rat’s patoot about her views on anything at all really–except, that is, her views on her husband.”
“Clinton-loving press” ??? “Anti-conservative media” ???
Do you READ the media? Have you SEEN any of the fawning press conferences Bush has given? (true, there haven’t been many)
And I particularly enjoyed Ron’s comment which called the Clintons “infidels”. Did Osama grab the keyboard there?
Happy Birthday Joe’s Dad!
LMAO!
Spike Lee really needs to get out more. In most of the civilized world, if you refer to “Spike,” people will think you mean Spike Milligan.
What about the new CD “I Need U” by Steve Perry. What! “The Voice” put out a new CD! Don’t get too excited! Come to find out, it’s not the same Steve Perry from Journey, yet he’s selling his CD on the web (not in stores)without showing a picture of the artist nor giving any background info., yet it links him to Steve Perry (Journey.
Talk about personal gain!!!!
I got in that trap, myself.
I went crazy when i found out, but it was too late.
I caught a minute or two of Bill O’Reilly’s radio show yesterday and he was saying how SUV’s tore up the roads because they are heavy – thus should be taxed more (or something like that).
Funny how nobody realizes that the old “boats” weighed upwards of 3500+ pounds (a little more than my SUV – a midsize). Then there are the trash trucks, oil delivery trucks etc. etc. Most roads are made (or should be) to handle that type of heavy vehicle, but SUV’s are automatically blamed for tearing up roads!
to start off i would like to say the legitimacy of you article is tryed when you begin it with “anti-suv groups led by BLOW HARDS”, Im dont know if you know this but slander does not make you sound very educated. in regards to your article I have several points I would like to make, when you mock the idea of oil money going to terrorists remember that the bin laden family yes osama’s family has very heavy ties in middle easten oil which is sent to america to power these luxury vehicles. you also make a statement about your or other peoples oil consumption being none of my damn business, I disagree when your pollution is effecting my atmosphere and expelling green house gases which deplete my ozone, it becomes my business. I agree it is your or my right to own a vehicle that gets 10 miles per gallon, but we can not sustainably keep consuming such massive amounts of oil, and do it, call me a long hair or a blowhard, but i care about our environment and the ramifications of these gas hog vehicles. america does not need to depend on foreign oil, we need to research other sources of energy, there is nothing wrong with solar power, solar does not hurt anything except the pockets of these huge energy companies owners and ceos, and I guarantee they dont care even a little bit about your welfare. A small population of wealth does not deserve to use up all of our oil. people need to stop viewing the world so anthropocentricly and realize that the earth was not meant only for humans, although creation stories may lead us to believe the world is ours we must realize our abuse on the plantet is going to soon be irreprable if we keep consuming at the rate we do.
im not saying anything you have said in your article is wrong, i just think it is about time these Ann Coulter like thoughts need to be put to bed, thank you for hearing my side.
please respond my e-mail address is zaneran@hotmail.com
Zane: Calling someone a blowhard is not “slander.” Besides, Huffington is a blowhard. At the time she started spouting off about SUV’s last year, she refused to explain her own travel on privately-owned jets. You can’t have it both ways.
The only other point I have to make is this: you need to lighten up. Please re-read the piece I wrote. It’s satire. It’s a joke. My point is not about all the environmental issues you bring up, but how the nanny-state government acts in a certain situation. You completely missed the point of what I was getting at.
And don’t get me started on oil. There exists oil reserves available to this nation that would supply us for centuries, if not longer. But we can’t get at them because of environmental restrictions. We don’t need middle-eastern oil. And we can get all we need from the oceans and the Alaskan plains without “destroying” anything, despite what the environmental chicken littles tell you.
Oh, and one other thing: before you criticize how much education I have (multiple Bachelor’s degrees, in case you’re interested), please learn proper spelling, grammar and capitalization. One of my degrees is in English Education, and if I had to grade your comment, you would have failed.
Congratulations on all the hits! I always stop to check you out several times a week….I have several others sites of individuals that I read, but you are the best writer and confirm most of my opinions! Not that I’m not open minded, but mostly I do like to read thoughts on my side of the fence..
Graham and all the dems are grasping at straws huh…I sorta love to watch the show. Howard Dean is turning out to be a mad man and Dickie Gephardt recently threatened to overrule the Supreme Court if he were president. Now thats so loony that I like it!!! Vote Anarchy…Vote Democratic!!! ha ha
Keep up your good stuff Joe….I bought a new computer and you’ll be on the ‘favorites’ on that one too… Dick D….Sheboygan, Wi
Congrats on all the hits!
Bogie: Thanks! I knew I could count on you for a nice comment.
Dick: Thank you, too! It warms my heart to know I’m reaching folks out there, whether they agree with me or not. Don’t worry about not being open minded all the time. Few of us really are. Blogs would be boring if we all agreed with each other. Besides, it tweaks the libs…
It is so neat how they can take buildings down and not disturb a blade of grass that is right next to the building (except for the major dust anyway).
What a lovely commemoration of this sad 1 year anniversary.
What a beautiful story of remembrance. My brother in law had esophageal cancer too, and waged the same fight; and died a little over 2 years ago. My sister and my mom fought it with him. Things do come in three’s, because my mom and dad are now gone too. But, like you, I think upon all of them each day, so as not to forget. Your last observation is the most poignant, since I too saw the fact that we all want to go home at the end…the draw of familiarity and loved ones never leaves us. Thanks for your tribute. Dick D
Bogie: thanks.
Dick: Thanks, too. Esophageal cancer is a terrible thing, and not as well-known as other forms. I have the deepest sympathy for anyone who has to fight it.
I appreciate both of your comments a great deal.
MR BARRY WHITE,
I belive your music is one when it comes to violin,bass,guitar,and one Barry tone voice. I was shocked when I heard your death’cause I thought I was dreaming,Wow! what a sad day,we all got prize to pay in this crazy world. Barry,you turned mylife world around when it comes to music and your music is incomparable’cause you’re the First,the Last and everything. My greetings to all your families,May God continue to bless them…Amen
Greatest Fanz,
OLUBUNMI OLADE
Barry White,
One of the Greatest!
Your musical sounds and style will never grow old.
Thanks for the wonderful music.
James Jennings
Maybe you’re on to something. Maybe there is a Bogie out there.
There’s always the Humphrey Bogart estate.
Unreliable Sources:
Spike Lee is now demanding a cut of the profits from the Robert E. Lee Memorial, from Leapy Lee’s 1968 hit Little Arrows, and from Sara Lee Incorporated. Moreover, he is demanding the entire pre-profit gross revenues of
Sara Lee’s Pie Crusts. Said his lawyer,
“Lee, Spike crusts? It’s an outrage. If the sounds all fit, they must remit.”
Milton Bradley. I like that one
I always liked Sterling Sharp and Peerless Price myself. Talk about pressure!
I would have to say that Coco Crisp is the best outfielder we have right now! well an jody!
If you think that this article is accurate then you’re a complete idiot….If you want the true story, you should have asked. You went into this with no facts to mock my mom.
My mom has been employed since day one. She made enough money she didn’t have to work nine to five like you. She has ideas of her own and never had to go online to write up crap that isn’t true about someone she doesn’t know.
If you want to know what really happened then ask. Just get the story straight before you bash my mom.
Hey “son”,
You can piss at me all you like, but everything I said in this bit was based on what was printed in the newspapers. If you followed the links embedded in the story, you would have been able to figure that out for yourself.
I’m not bashing you mother. I could care less what your mother does, but her story sure sounds both silly and designed to milk the whole issue. That’s not my problem; that’s hers. Since I’m permitted to have my opinion about what people do, I can say any damn thing I want about what your mother does. If she doesn’t want people to make comments on the things she does, she should saty out of the papers.
Thanks for that. It cheered up my day!
Hello,
Just thought that people might like to know where Beanie and Cecil originally came from. My aunt Virginia Sublette Shows had five children very close in age. One day she took a sock and buttons and sewed up Cecil and then Beanie. The other characters followed suit.
I don’t know where Cecil came from but Beanie came from my cousin who refused to stop wearing a beanie hat with a propeller on it and so they nicknamed him Beanie. John was the name of her father, John Sublette, Senior and also her brother, John Sublette, Junior.
My aunt’s husband was Charles Shows a cartoonist who worked for Bob Clampett.
Does anyone remember the Cecil and Beanie Puppet Show that was on TV ca 1952-4? it was created by Stan Freeberg and predated the cartoon.
Wow Cecil and Beanie are not forgotten. I watched almost every episode of the original puppet show. I believe if I remember well, that Cecil had a deep voice with a Bronx type accent. One day on the air, his eye fell off and he had one eye through out that episode. That I remember as plain as day. I would love to see that show again, so I could relate. Thank you for keeping them alive.
Robert Quintana
You are a very good and very funny writer. I own about 30 Cecil & Beanie original animation cels and lineart, and I believe they came from the 60’s series. I was told there was an 80’s series as well. Do you know if this is true, and do you know where the best place to sell these pieces of art would be?
Thank you…
Thanks for livening up my morning and bringing back childhood memories! Every now and then I will spurt out a phrase that came from that show and my kids and grandkids just look at me; they have no idea who beanie and cecil are! what a shame. There was just something about the cartoons of our generation, they just had an appeal that doesnt fade away easily. Thanks for keeping one of our favorite shows alive. Wish they would bring it back again!
Thanks to all of you who enjoyed this bit. As Diane mentioned, sometimes just hearing a name or phrase will remind you of things like the old ‘toons, and that’s basically how I got the idea for this. Those of you who browse the site will see that I have a particlar fondness for some of these old shows.
Thanks to all for visiting.
HEE HEE HEE HO HO
I have an original cecil stuffed animal (he’s bendable) given to me as a christmas present when I was a Kid. It’s in excellent shape. Where can I find out what it’s worth?
I’ve only been to Jacksonville a handful of times, but I vividly remember eating shrimp by the bucket (along with drinking ice cold buckets o’ beer) at Singleton’s Seafood Shack where, suprisingly, they had some pretty good barbeque, too.
Bad, very bad.
C’mon Bogie….aren’t you glad he Cher’d it with us? je je je
Dick: Arrrrgh! I love it.Heh.
For those that think it was “all about the oil”. Yeah, we got all kinds of oil – I guess that’s why prices at the pump went up yesterday.
I agree with your asessment!
I like your answer to this horrible problem!
P.S. Would you please change my blogroll name from “Boogie” Blog to “Bogie” Blog. I wouldn’t want people mis-lead into thinking it’s a blog about 70’s dancing!
I used to exercise a lot. Then I got lazy, and now my boobs (pecs) have shrunk. Woe is me
Bogie: fixed. I would like to see you and the spouse doing a bit of boogie every now and then.
Glenn: when you get to be my age, it gets worse. They grow, so you wind up looking like you need a bra. I think Kramer and Mr. Costanza had a good idea with the “bro.” No! It’s the “Manssire”!
Yeah, the conflicting health information is confusing, but I just don’t buy the one about drinking too many liquids. It’s hard to grasp the scientific basis for that one.
Great comments guys. Peter FDA
You know…too much of anything is bad, even plain old water, whether you’re running six miles a day or eating six donuts a morning. Proposing that everyone stop exercising is ludicrous, and you can avoid drawing unfounded conclusions like that if you don’t worry about individual crackpot studies by the brits or whoever…and read up on things put out by wonderful people like the Surgeon General every few years. Also, you should have included that starting exercising at a young age increases resilience to things like adult onset diabetes.
Phenomenal post!
Kate: thanks!
That was one beautifully crafted fine essay, Joe. Truly. Awesome.
Wow!
Now I gotta find that record.
Bogie: Click the “Bus Boys” link in the piece. It’s the All Music Guide link to the album, and you should be able to order it via Barnes and Noble. Check Amazon, too, they might have it a bit cheaper. I’m still playing my tape, which I’m going to have to replace with the CD eventually.
yeah i loved the Bus Boys in high school. hehe.. fantastic album.
oh yeah great post, too. *nods*
Great piece man, i was surfing the net looking for some info on ‘that cool band from 48 hours’.Last time i watched the movie i waited for the credits to roll to get the bands’ name, and now with the info you have given me, im armed with enough knowledge to buy the album!
Cheers
You think the fact that Davey Boy was a transexual had anything to do with it?
Glenn: He was?!!? Wow. I never devled into his life that much. But, I doubt Liza would care. Hell, she was married to a gay man for five years.
Eu. Hollywood is like a Comedy of Horrors, not Errors. This whole thing–Liz, Jacko (sounds like a horror movie char.), Liza, Davey-boy, Judy Garland-as-gay-idol–it all stinks of social psychoses.
Give ‘em hell Joe!
Its always the psychics who give you trouble, isn’t it? What a shame. Keep on with the satire, buddy!
If he is psychic, why didn’t he know that you wrote it as satire, not as truth? He shouldn’t have even had to look at your site’s manifesto if he’s as talented as he claims.
What a maroon!
Ask the “psychic” if Lou Gehrig still considers himself “the luckiest man on the face of the earth”……..just curious.
Kenn: Sorry, pal, no way. This guy charges $100 for an e-mail reading. If the Iron Horse wants to let me know how he’s doing, I figure he’ll call. In fact, if I do hear from him, I’m going to get a little worried about me.
Burkina Faso — dk location; but it is the lighter drier country(tm).
If he is a psychic, why didn’t he write you a letter to tell you to not publish that post before you uploaded it?
I think someone is confusing the word ‘Psychic’ with ‘Psychotic’.
~~~~~ Raymond ~~~~~ ®
And that would be why I pay someone to work on my truck!
Hey, the Sox have to get lucky every once in a while. Otherwise they couldn’t get their fan’s hopes up just to smash them to smithereens at the end of the season!
Sam says hi, Damon’s buzzed on mai-tai’s,Zed’s asleep and Jan disapproves.
I report, they decide.
I’m having trouble reaching your day by day site all of a sudden. What Up ???
No, the Angels aren’t the Red Sox. It took only 42 years for them to win it ALL, not double that (let’s see… 85 yrs since a Red Sox Series Champion).
Nothing against the Sox, but Anaheim will be back. Too many injuries this year.
Oakland will lose Tejada, and in a couple yrs probably all their big three pitchers to teams willing to spend money.
As for Seattle, they’re getting older, and in a year or so that will be in full effect.
FACT: Even ignoring any/all of the above- No fluke if you win three sets of series and don’t give up with a five-run deficit and eight outs left. A title is for the year in question. As of last October, which team was the best? Pitching or clutch hitting, the Angels. It’s not how many playoffs you get into (see Mariners, Indians), it’s if you win it all when you get the rare chance.
Almost a year later (although I remember the game in question as though it were yesterday), Trevor D.’s comment about the Mariners’ encroaching age turns out to have been downright prophetic. They are definitely Ancient Mariners (apologies to Coleridge) this season.
As for last year’s Angels, the problem was not having to overcome 2-0 or 3-0 deficits but the 5-0 or 6-0 deficits their starters were spotting him. (The Appier debacle in question marked the end of his shaky Anaheim tenure; he was released the very next day, then pitched briefly for the Royals before being sidelined by the elbow injury the Angels suspected him of concealing.)
As for the A’s, questionable free-agent signings and non-signings–to say nothing of Billy Beane’s rampaging ego and a dubious organizational philosophy–have taken their toll. Say what you like about the 2002 Angels, they didn’t cough it up in the clinching game of the first round as the A’s have done–repeatedly–for three years.
Good for Pac Bell!
Right on! Its about time someone stood up to this RIAA Crusade! You’re points are well taken, too. They need to evolve to provide what consumers want… namely high-quality portable music without all the hassles that these for-fee services come with.
I’m surprised Pac Bell is the first ISP to fight back against the RIAA for it’s customers privacy. The other ISPs just rolled over for the RIAA. That’s just disturbing.
The Sun sessions were ground-breaking. I’m with you all the way.
I should know more about him.
I’d take something autographed by Funny Cide!
ESPN2 is carrying both races if you have cable.
Joe,
Thanks for the support and the link to the essay your wrote about a similar experience.
When Schmidt appeared on Hannity and Colmes, a Fox News entertainment program, I believe he placed himself in the public eye — and open to public criticism. I also believe that since the Amber Frey photos are on virtually every news Web site, I have the right to use them in a artistic parody.
I find Schmidt and the photos to be deserving of lampoon. I don’t think that anyone would find the made up story convincing.
A think I’ll do another in which he consults British psychic Craig Hamilton-Parker to channel the spirits of Clarence Darrow and Melvin Belli for legal advice.
Fritz:
Heh. At least your guy appeared on Hannity and Colmes. Mine’s across the ocean, which means I may never get to see him.
Even better for your new idea, although some may find this in bad taste: have Craig channel the spirit of Lacey Peterson, and have he call out her husband for screwing Amber. I mean, this ghoul Hamilton-Parker has already convinced people he channels Princess Di. Why not more tastelessness? Unfortunately, it might give him an idea for his next TV special.
Keep me posted.
Neither race quite went the way I thought it would. But, they were fun to watch!
This could explain the 15 people I found in my laundry room today. In an interesting twist, they were all wearing mismatched socks . . . I sense a greater conspiracy at work here.
Believe me, Joe – working in Human Resources for the last 6 years… FMLA is becoming the bain of my existance. I hear complaints on a daily basis that “6 weeks (the standard amount of maternity leave for a ‘normal’ delivery) is not enough time, etc. Which I’m sure it’s not but then they complain about not being able to take the unpaid leave that is made available because, being in NY, can not afford it. But, like you said, planning could help… I’m sure!
Mo: ah, my beautiful sister-in-law…I kind of had a feeling you’d rant about this.
You know, people might read what I wrote and say I’m being unfair because of how expensive it is to have a child. But, I seem to recall that Kel and I were pretty “broke” when we had Kaitie, at least in the respect of the amount of money we were making. (I would guess our combined incomes were well under 40K per year before taxes). And, we really wanted to have a baby, and we knew if we thought we couldn’t afford it, we’d never be able to afford it.
The answer to the problem is taxes. If we weren’t assaulted with taxes the way we are in this country, maybe more mothers could stay home with their new babies, and we wouldn’t need the FMLA.
Some people with children act like the rest of the country owes them all kinds of stuff for the “good of the children.” So, when they take off work, who is required to take their place? Me, the childless one. I’m am EXPECTED to do overtime or whatever it takes to get the work done, while they are not. I can deal with that.
But, now they want to whine about not getting paid leave. I will insist that I get some paid leave too, to regain my sanity!
I was unaware of such a law in Montana, and can’t seem to find anything about it.
Do you have a link you can send me? I’d be interested in delving into this a little further.
Thanks.
MT: I don’t have one, unfortunately. The information I used is based on this quote in the linked story:
“California was the first to pass such a law in 2002, and three other states — Hawaii, Montana and Connecticut — passed paid leave bills this year.”
If I find something, I’ll pass it along.
Hmmm….I’m going to have to go a-hunting for it, then.
Thanks!
Pizda
Kontaktanzeigen are pretty cool, aren’t they?
What, you think piddly things like work and home are an excuse? Oh, I guess they are, never mind.
Great piece.
The only part where I might quibble with you is in the last paragraph:
My personal feeling is that as Linux gains wider acceptance, it’s going to present a fatter target, and more appealing to mentality of the virus writer.
Why write a virus that’s going to affect only a few unpatched systems. Right now, Linux is in the domain of the geeks (like myself) who do watch for security updates, and make patches as necessary.
But, as acceptance grows wider, then I think you will see what we have with Windows; namely home users who don’t have the awareness to patch their systems.
Also, I think that Linux on the desktop won’t really take off until they truly innovate. Right now, most of the apps are playing catch-up to Microsoft. Evolution, the last I looked, was as near a clone of Outlook as you could possibly make.
It does seem like there’s quite a reaction to this movie, which isn’t out yet, and none of the people commenting upon it have seen.
It seems to me that it’s ridiculous to assume that this movie will provoke anti-semetic feelings in people. First of all, it’s in Latin and Aramaic. Most people who are likely to go to such a movie are profoundly unlikely to become an angry mob. Also, it seems clear to me from the story of Christ’s crucifixion that Jews, as a group, are any more responsible for it than anyone else. There were Romans involved in His execution as well, but no one says that this movie will provoke anti-italian sentiment.
I agree with your contentions completely. This is the rusult, I’m afraid, of the attempt to revise history in everything. I’m not saying that the Rabbi’s contentions about the Biblical authors are wrong, but unless someone has conclusive proof that the historical events or details took place differently, we need to be willing to accept what’s there.
Another point I didn’t think of until right now: those who accept the story as written aren’t looking at laying blame to any one group of people, anyway. Wasn’t everything that happened to Jesus part of prophesy, something that’s also part of our faith? Wouldn’t the result have been the same, no matter who was responsible?
Exactly. Jesus died for everyone’s sins. Presumably, he would have been killed wherever he had lived and by whoever the authorities were at that place and time.
I’m glad I stumbled upon your article; it’s very well-written and brings up some very valid points. In the end, of course, I agree. Once the film is shown let’s critique it. It’s also prudent to be cautious about using the term “anti-semetic” so eagerly. Using it to describe a film that could be misinterpreted in such a way (as all art can be) is a gross injustice to the true nature of anti-semitism, which is pure hatred against the Jews. I think it’s obvious that this is not a goal of Mel Gibson or this film.
Lets Examine the Other Side of the Coin
In your opening paragraph you state, “For a movie that isn’t finished and has only been seen by a few people outside its creators, Mel Gibson’s The Passion is raising the ire of a lot of people, most of whom are blindly accusing Gibson and the film of being anti-semitic.
While I’m sure there are those who “blindly” accuse Mr. Gibson of atisemitism, I hope to show that it is you who that is “blindly” unaware of the history that surrounds this issue. Secondly, I hope to turn the tables. If you regard cries of antisemitism as an unfounded, knee-jerk reaction, I hope to show that your concern that, and i quote, “…this is just more Catholic bashing” is of the same ilk.
Firstly, and as an aside, I had to chuckle at your statement in the second paragraph of your post…”With all due respect to the Rabbi and Jews everywhere in the world…” This is particularly humorous in that, as you are aware, one of the often used politically correct responses to the debate regarding who killed Jesus, goes something like this…Just because some Jews were involved to some degree, there is no basis to apply that involvement to all Jews throughout their generations. Why didn’t you say “With all due respect to Rabbi”? Why did you go on to say “…and Jews everywhere in the world”? Are you making the same mistake, assuming that “Jews everywhere” share the same sentiment as the Rabbi. Just an aside, I thought it was quite ironic. Moving along…
After you raised the spectre of “catholic bashing”, you went on to site examples from the Rabbis article. So, lets see what you take issue with, lets see what criteria is laid to support your allegation of Catholic bashing.
Your first citation of the Rabbi was thus…
For 2,000 years the narrative of the New Testament about Jewish responsibility for the crucifixion has been one of the main ingredients in fomenting anti-Semitism. The churches – Catholic and Protestant – have propagated the notion of the Jews as Christ-killers who are therefore forever consigned to be the pariahs of humankind and whose suffering is punishment for their never-to-be-forgiven crime.
Is this catholic bashing? Of course not, this is verifiable, biographical history. If you are unaware of this history, then I’m afraid it is you that is “blindly” accusing those who criticize Gibson of catholic bashing. For example, the Rabbi indicated that from the earliest times, the “church fathers’” writings contained antisemitic statements. I would go further and say these remarks were vehemently antisemetic. In addition, the Rabbi indicated that early church fathers from Tertullian to Augustine made these statements. Did you bother to verify this? It’s easily verifiable. Is this catholic bashing? Of course not, it’s history. Could it be that someone who is unaware of this history, yet regards it’s recitation as catholic basing is really the one who is blindly accusing people? But wait a second, the Rabbi said this has happened over 2000 years. Are there really more historically verifiable examples of christian antisemetism? Of course. Lets move ahead to St. Constantine and his remarks at the famed Council of Nicea. As I’m sure you know, one of the highly contentious debates at Nicea was the date the newly declared state religion would celebrate Easter. I’m sure you know that Easter was celebrated at various dates by the various christian communities of the day. But lets make a long story short and paraphrase Constantine’s concluding remarks at Nicea. “Let us not worship as the odious jews…” Yet another example of antisemitism. We’re now in the 4th century. I could go on giving specific examples throughout the centuries of christian antisemtism. But this is not a thesis, and I have life. So, I would encourage you to research the matter for yourself, and review the Rabbi’s statement. I mention the early church fathers and Constantine to make a point. Antisemetism is evident in the church at the earlies foundational levels. If the early church fathers and Constantine are not early enough or foundational enough, then I encourage you to read St. Paul’s epistles. St. Paul’s manuscripts contain blatantly antisemetic remarks. For example, in regard to the jews and the circimcision knife (actually used to cut the skin), Paul hopes the knife slips. It’s in your New Testament. I’m not going to go on throughout the centuries, I’ll leave that to you if you’re interested in the subject. But, in order to get us through the 2000 years mentioned by the Rabbi, I will bring us to 1965. You see, it was in 1965 that the Catholic Church, publically and verifiably, agreed to “…remove the vestiges of antisemetism from the Catholic liturgy.” What was this antisemitism that even the Catholic Church acknoledged? One example, one of the prayer for the jews referred to them as “perfidious jews”. It took nearly 2000 years for the Catholic Church to remove such language from their liturgy. Between Constantine and 1965 we have Crusades, Inquisitions, passion plays, Jewish ghettos…the list goes on and on. I think if you were to actually research the history of that envelopes the Gibson controversy, the criticism of the movie might be more meaningful to your 21st century sensibilities. But the point is, the Rabbi wasn’t catholic bashing, he gave a broad description of actual history.
Now, what was the foundation of all this antisemetism? It’s exactly as the Rabbi said. The blood lible charge, the charge of deicide against the Jews is the foundation of it all. Now you might say, “Hey, that blood lible charge is historical, it’s in the New Testament. Lets be specific, you regard the NT as historical based on spiritual reasons. That is, you have no inherent knowledge of it’s biographical history. Did you know that the earliest manuscripts we have are copies of what we call the originals and that they are no older than the 3rd and 4th centuries. The canon, whether protestant or catholic contains no original manuscripts. It is widely accepted in scholarly circles that the christian copyists added to and redacted these manuscripts. Since your belief is based on faith, I know you will never be persuaded of this. But a simple point. It is not catholic bashing to say the bible is not historical. It is a scholarly position based on research and scientific method.
A brief example, we all know that crucifixion was the Roman punishment for crimes against the state. Jesus was charged as a subversive, a King of the Jews and he died a Roman punishment for his crimes against the Roman State. Lets take a look at these “Jews” the NT implicates in Jesus’ death. First a bit of historical background. Jerusalem was under Roman occupation at the time of Jesus. In fact, revolutionary fervor was rampant and messianic expectations were fever-pitched. The atmosphere was exposive and violent. The Roman occupiers appointed jews to clerical and civic positions in Jerusalem. These appointments were very lucrative for these Jews. You need to understand that these Roman appointed lackeys viewed Jesus as a threat to their well being…monetarily as well as militarily. Furthermore, these lackeys acted as spies. Reporting to the Roman authorities any signs of sedition by the Jews. On the other hand, the Jews of Jerusalem not only hated the Roman occupiers, and some of them (the Sicarii) would slit their throats at any opportunity) they hated their Roman appointed Pharisees too. You see, popular Judaism supported Jesus, it did not reject Jesus. So why the blood lible charge? The irony is, that some 300 years after the Romans and their appointed traitors murdered Jesus, the very Roman state that killed a Jewish Messiah, adopted Him as their god. What better way to absolve the government that murdered God from the crime than to revise history in documents that it and it alone had control of? I know you will find this offensive. But I can assure you this isn’t Catholic bashing. To assume it is, is to act “blindly”
I’m going to end this post by addressing your references to Pius XII and the Holocaust. I’ll begin the address by asking, why is that when someone implicates Christianity in the horrors of the Holocaust, there is a default reference to Pius XII and WWII? I’ll leave that debate to the apologists have no regard for the truth. IT has absoulutely NO impact on the implication of the church. A simple point follows…
If I were to say to you things like, Jews were forced to sell their property, not allowed to have jobs, horded into ghettos and locked up, and forced to wear badges identifying them as Jews…you might have a knee-jerk reaction to point out how many Jews Pius XII saved, or some other apologetic material. But I wonder, do you know that all this occurred centuries before Adolph Hitler and Pius XII were born? I recommend that you read the papal bull “Cum Nimus Absurdum”. This is, in my opinion, the most vehemently antisemetic Church document ever written. Within two weeks after it was written by a Roman Bishop or Pope, a Jewish ghetto was built within eye-sight of the Vicars palacial estate. And, everything I mentioned above was inflicted upon Jews…including the badges to identify them as non-Christians. You see, this wasn’t a Nazi ideal, it’s foundations were established centuries (15th century) earlier.
I could go on and on. But,I’m going to wrap this up by saying I don’t necessarily think Mel Gibson, you, or anyone else for that matter is antisemitic. But I do object to broad claims of “Catholic bashing” by those who accuse the Christianity of antisemtism and a role in the Holocaust. Personally, I think most people are unaware of the history regarding this debate, and react to it without knowing many of the facts that lie beneath the surface. Furthermore, I think you fall into that category, and ironically, you are responsible for doing what you accuse others of…”blindly accusing”. Not intentionally or out of spite, but the end result is the same.
By the way, I am niether Jewish, Christian, or Atheist. I don’t have any agenda in regard to Gibson’s film. The only objection I have is when portrayals based on the NT are characterized as historical, simply because they were canonized.
Well I am to judge the film with my own eyes and ears. Jesus has always been a point of contention with us, and I think we need to get over it. I am more concerned about liberals who would drastically change the US foreign policy concerning Israel, than Right Wing Christians, who seem to have accepted Jews as brothers without the need to convert us.
Sin is why Jesus died on the cross. It’s my fault as it is everyone’s fault (except for Jesus and Mary who were sinless) that the Son of God was nailed to the cross. But in re-reading what I just typed, I can say, that there is no ‘FAULT’ here. It was God’s grace that was present on Calvary.
No one seems to be talking about this. It’s all about anti-semitism or being too violent. I need a reminder everyday of the details of Christ’s sufferings. For instance, I know that when He was nailed to the Cross, His Body was in a position that wouldn’t allow him to breath without struggle. Every moment was a new pain in cycles. I believe he would slunk down in exhaustion, only to be unable to breathe – then he would have to press down with his hands and feet on the nails that tore him – this would give him a brief moment to catch a breath; pain and exhaustion would send him back into that cycle.
I wish I could yell to the world, “It’s not about us!”, and I think that anyone who would direct their anger from seeing this movie, or better yet, reading The Dolorous Passion, at others instead of themselves truly needs to re-examine their faith. Sin is the antagonist, here.
In 1998 and again in 2000 the Catholic Church apologized for its sins agains Jewish people. Including spreading the LIE that Jesus was killed by Jewish people. It is irresponsible of any uneducated person on these matters to broadcast their “point” of view, and it is shameful of powerful indivduals like Mel Gibson to do so. This movie will cause the death of at least one innocent person–hatefull propaganda always does.
Regarding comments by anonymous:Keep in mind that just because a posting appears authoritative and factually detailed doesn’t make it so.
Much of what is presented represents an interpretation of material,not established fact,from a viewpoint that is far from the mainstream. Some assertions are simply untrue, such as the statements that it is widely accepted in scholarly circles that the Bible is not historical, or that Paul is obviously anti-semetic.That anti-semetism has been a part of christian and western history is undeniable but it is not an inherent and intrinsic characteristic of christianity or christian culture.
The papal bull cited (actually “Cum nimis absurdum”) issued during the height of the Inquisition is contrasted with several bulls issued before and after exonerating the Jewish people from culpability. Should German culture be characterized by Hitler and the Nazis or Russian culture by Ivan the Terrible?
The point I want to make is that while we can’t exhaustively research everything we are told, we do have a responsibility to determine for ourselves what is true for issues of importance.
I agree with amonymous that you can read Paul’s writings for yourself to decide if they are anti-semetic.
I’ve always liked Mel Gibson and can’t really believe he would intentionally make this film for the purpose of promoting antisemitism and the middle ages myth of the “blood libel”. But nonetheless, if Mel is truly as interested as he is quoted as saying that this film is based on historical fact, then why not us the opportunity to expose the “blood libel” for the 1700 year old lie that it is.
On the other hand one does have to consider his father, Hutton Gibson who is a notorious Holocaust denier and who claims the the World Trade Center was destroyed by remote control and not by al Queda; that the Second Vatican Council was a Masonic plot backed by the Jews and that all popes going back to John XXIII have been illegitimate “anti-popes”.
No one is resolving this debate through historical fact or reasoned logic simply because the Christianity is a faith, not a reasoned philosophy. Christians apparently continue to believe that Jesus somehow was not Jewish, and that the Jews killed him. Nor for those of the Jewish faith, does the context of this movie really matter at this point, because is is being promoted as a movie that graphically blames Jews for the death of Christ. For non-christians, the popularity of this movie will be proof of the in-grain anti-semitism is all christians. In practice, Mel Gibson has done a very great disservice to christians everywhere; regardless of content, the movie’s popularity will give non-christians just cause to hate.
Dr. Morgan, your arguments are completely specious. I’m a Catholic, and I see my belief in God and Jesus as both faith and a guiding philosophy. The very word “Christian” implies that those who believe in the word of Christ takes his word as a philosophical basis for their belief.
As for what we believe about Jesus’ faith, we certainly do know that he was Jewish. There are multiple passages in Scripture where he is referred to as “Rabbi” and “teacher,” and his teaching in the temples are described in detail, as is the story of his attack on the merchants in the temple. Finally, the Last Supper was a Passover seder. So, to make the blanket accusation that Christians don’t know of Jesus’ religious roots is simply ridiculous.
There isn’t one promotion of this movie that I’m aware of that states “this is the story of how Jesus was killed by the Jews.” In fact, I don’t see how anyone can say (since as I write this, very few people have still seen the movie) that the movie “blames” anyone for anything. Let’s put this in secular terms: the movie tells a story, one that’s been part of a very popular book for hundreds and hundreds of years. Over those hundreds of years, there have been arguments and discussions and differences, even among Christians, about the very nature of this story. But that’s what’s being presented here: the pictorial depiction of a story.
As for “in-grain”ed anti-semitism, I really don’t know where you get this. Yes, I’m certain there are Christian people who hate Jews. There are also Christian people who hate blacks, hispanics, asians, and anyone else who isn’t white and Christian. You will find may of these people in white supremacy groups on the distant fringes of logical Christian belief. They don’t represent the beliefs of the majority of Christians. In fact, you will probably find some Jews who feel the same way about people who aren’t Jews, but they don’t represent the Jewish people as a whole, either.
And, most importantly, you’re blanket accusation that this film will give Christians “cause to hate” is way off the mark as well. Christians, by definition, are directed not to hate, and in fact the subject of this film taught us the philosophy (yes, his Word is philosophy) of “turning the other cheek.” The very fact that Christ was hung on the cross, as I stated in an eralier post, wasn’t because of Jews or any other people; it was prophisized and is something we believe was destined by God to occur no matter what.
I believe the problem with your opinions and others who have posted here is that you’re taking an ancient story of people of an ancient time, people who acted very differently then we do now, and trying to place it in a modern context. You simple cannot place the actions, beliefs, and history of people who lived 2000 years ago into the framework of how we live, think or believe in modern times. The Christians of Jesus’ time didn’t know they were Christians; many were Jews who chose to follow Jesus or Gentiles who had no faith and who determined that this man was the Messiah and followed him.
If you think there is bigotry and hatred in the modern world, all you have to do is read the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37). People tend to think of this just as a story about kindness to others, but it was Jesus’ way if indicting the highest among the people (the “priest” and the Levite, both important in the temples of the day, both part of higher society, and both of whom passed the wounded man on the road) and showing how someone normally despised by the people of the region (the Samaritan) wound up being the one to help the stranger. By this story alone and our faith in its point, your blanket accusation that Christains are anti-semitic and that this movie will stir that up such feelings just don’t hold water.
The point of the movie (and one I can only assume, since like most people I haven’t seen it yet) is supposed to be the suffering of Jesus in the last hours of his life. If anything, many people, Christians and non-Christians, will probably find the movie disturbing not because of who executed Jesus but because of how he suffered. This was a form of death that many experienced in that time, and to watch it occur in all its violence will not be easy for anyone to take. My belief is that Christains will come out with a better understanding of Jesus’ suffering and that the film will likely reinforce their belief in the concept that he suffered because we sinned. But, that suffering won’t be something abstract, something we just see in the model of a Crucifix in our churches or read about in the Bible. This movie supposedly will bring it to a level we rarely consider. I believe it will bring a greater understand to us of how and why he died, which to us is far more important than under whose hand.
I just think that this movie “THE PASSION” is a GREAT idea for a movie, mostly because the movie shows the actual brutality of the crucifixtion. I think that Ron Howard is PURE EVIL for even considering to make a movie BASHING Jesus Christ and his crucifixtion for our sins. I am only 15 years of age and i still know and STRONGLY believe that Jesus Died on the cross to forgive us of our sins. as i made a great confession only 2 Sundays ago i shall repeat what i said that Sunday:
I believe that Jesus is the Christ the only Son of the living God my LORD and my SAVIOR. AMEN
all who believes this please support this Movie it is a great movie.
Joe,
Before you call an argument specious, read what was actually said. I said that “Christianity is a faith, not a reasoned philosophy” A faith is, according to most dictionaries, “an unquestioning faith” and by your own statement that is what you have. But a “reasoned philosophy” is not the same as a “guiding philosophy”.A reasoned philosophy is one that is based on questioning assumptions and is flexible to change when those assumptions prove false. While you may hold Christianity as a guiding philosophy, because you accept as a matter of faith, your philosophy by definition can not be reasoned.
Secondly, there are churches, at least in my community of Contra Costa, who are promoting Gibson’s movie as a passion play. zThey purport to quote Gibson about this movie providing the truth about the Passion of Jesus. The traditional definition of a passion play, as promoted by the Roman Catholic church, is a re-enactment of the death of Jesus. The standard example is the play of Oberammergau, Baveria. Until 1967, that play was bill as “Jesus’s death at the hands of the Jews”.
The most important point you missed is that I did not say that this movie will cause anyone to hate; as you pointed out very few people actually know what is in the movie. What I said is that the movies popularity will give NON-CHRISTIANS just cause to hate.
What little I do know of the movie is that anti-semitism is hidden deep within it’s context. According to last night’s Dateline, anti-semetic segments of the new testament, which refers to Jews as perfidious, are heard in the dialogue of the movie; and while that dialogue will not be in English, Gibson will not remove it because in his view it is truth.
At this point your reaction probally is that NON-Christians are just being overly sensitive. You do not believe that 2000 years of history matter; but they do. They matter because actions are more definitive of who a person or an organization is, rather then words. Your religion may boast of turning the other cheek; but your actions of burning people in the Inquistion, forcing people to convert then killing them immediately afterwards so they could not sin, (since conquest of the Caribs),molestation of children by priests,
and teaching for more then 1500 years in Catechism that Jews are responsible for the death of Christ speak louder of the organization.
The point I am making is that Non-christians have very good reasons to be very suspicious of Christians, and Catholics in particular. Yours is clearly a strong faith, but if you are still trying to defend Catholism as “reasoned philosophy”,look at the response of Erica Johns.Is she questioning the basic assumptions of her faith; does she even know them. She defines anyone who suggests an alternative view as ” pure evil”. For you and her the effect of this movie maybe to “will bring a greater understand to us of how and why he died” and that maybe more important then”under whose hand.”
But for the rest of us, the movie is also, apparently, defining whose hand killed Christ, and potentially inciting those like Erica who seem to be capable of repeating the atrocities of the past. If you were not a Christian would you trust Christians.
Joe:
I was with you until you got to the following part and i disagree with you on this:
“I would think, considering the events in the Middle East in recent years, and especially with the continuing terrorist pogrom against the Jewish state by the enemies with which it is surrounded, that our anger and dismay would be concentrated there, and not on a motion picture that almost no one has seen yet.”
i don’t think that you would call people that are defending their homeland is called terrorism (and am talking about palestinians in particular)….and it is the state of israel a terrorist state…Israel is a state that commits terrorism on a daily basis by killing innocent children, men and women.
here is an example (its really a proof)
In an interview with the famous Israeli journalist Amos Oz, Sharon says “if they instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million!”
“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don’t care. And I don’t mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminalÂ… What you lot
don’t understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.
“You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Â… Better a live Judeo-Nazi than
a dead saint.” Oz, Amos (1982) The Daily Davar. Dec. 17. He’s a psycho isn’t he Joe? now you ask yourself, would you support a person like that? .
Joe, I respect your views….but as a christian i feel like its my duty to inform you that the state of israel is a terrorist state and that not everything you see on tv is right….trust me, am a christian who lived that area and i know whats going on..
All: I find the controversy surrounding this movie disturbing in some ways but very encouraging in others. The truth of the matter is that Jewish people of that time did crucify Jesus Christ. He was Jewish, if you will recall, and no one is harder on you than your own clan. The remaining truth is that I also crucified Him, and so did you. We all do every day of our lives. There is a song that says, “Does He still feel the nails every time I fail?” Yes, He does. As a Christian, I don’t feel called upon to make my Jewish brothers and sisters feel guilty. Nor do I expect my non-Christian brothers and sisters to make me feel guilty because I believe. The interest generated by Gibson’s “Passion” is a good thing. It is a reminder of who Jesus is and what He did. I don’t expect to leave the theater and go out and bash the first Jewish person I meet. To do so would be to crucify my Savior all over again. Calvary didn’t lead to Auschwitz. Men led the way to the concentration camps, not Jesus.
Anti semitism started long before the Christian era. But how did anti-semitism start in the Christian community? Excluding the Bible, Jesus brother James was stoned by the Temple authorities for saying “something” they didn’t like. The Christian community was part of the Jewish community. Then came the BarKochba rebellion.The BarKochba followers persecuted the Christians. The Christians didn’t recognize Bar Kochba and were viewed as traitors to their Jewish roots. Of course, Bar Kochba was a fraud and the Romans cracked down even more on the jews. Then came the destruction of the temple. Most of the Christians left town before it all happened claiming they were supernaturally warned. The jews suspected that the Romans tipped the Christians off.(I don’t know what really the truth is there.) The Romans allowed the Jews a religious exemption from worshiping the emporer. Then the jews said the Christians aren’t part of us, which caused the Romans to persecute the Christians as a new cult that refused to worship the emporer. The church fathers were tortured some died, some minus limbs and eyes, and you would expect them to be nice about that? Who knew that Christianity was destined to take over the Roman world.The bad blood goes back a long way on both sides.
Mel Gibson’s hatred for English people shows in his other movies, Braveheart and The Patriot. How can he be a Christian and promote hatred against the English? After all, Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor. If Mel Gibson is an anti-Semite, it is no surprise. And since a genuine Christian cannot hate Jews, his father Hutton is certainly no Christian.
Julia,
Are you for real? You are judging two thousand year old event in modern morality, and on little written evidence? You are labling Christians as a community, when at the time they were probally no more then an a cult. A modern day equivilent would be the Mormans. Mormans are as christian as christians are Jewish; and the persecution of Mormans by American christians is very well documented.
If similar events were the cause of anti-semitism, there do christians still feel anti-mormanism today?
Back to the topic of the movie, it is not relevant where anti-semitism started, or who is anti-semetic today. If this movie is popular amoung christians, for whatever reasons; and if it contains any anti-semitism it will be the cause of NON-CHRISTIANS to dislike Christians. Currently the dislike of christians is causing enormous bloodshed around the world, especially amoung christian minorities. I know that you may not like the thought, but world-wide Christians are a minority, and in many places, (phillipines, middle east, africa) they are murdered because they are christians. The question this site should be pondering is whether the Mel Gibson movie will feed that effort?
Alright, everyone has a good point but when it comes to the part where those who think Jews killed Jesus got me a little bit confused in your explaination. Im not Jesus’s best friend or anything but i know for a fact Jews did not kill him; Romans did. There is even proof that Romans admit it. When people i knew left this movie, they told me that it showed a hidden hate of Jews. Come on, why would Mel Gibson produce a movie without strong evidence that who did what, and i hope it doesnt have to do with his dad being a holocaust denier. That would just lead most Jews to more hatred. Im not jewish, but i learn much about Jews. Their history of hate is more than i can believe. It seems everywhere they go, there is prejudice, and i think its because of bias thoughts that goes from person to the next. I feel bad, everywhere they go, they are not excepted because of the thought they called Jesus. And if you think Jesus was the messiah, and more hate is happening all over the world, then we are defiently not on the right track of bring the messiah again. Think what you want, but rememeber, your actions towards people if very effective so think twice.
Non…what in the world are you talking about?….i don’t understand you people…..so, you’re saying that making a movie on the suffering of the jews in the holocaust will promote hatred towards Germans?….people people people…Mel Gibson made a movie based on the Gospel….i bet you that if this movie portrayed the Romans (and only the romans) by themselves who crucified jesus i bet you that no one would be criticizing this movie (not even close to now at least)…..it is evident that the jews have great control of the U.S. to the point that you can’t even criticize Israel..and if you do you are labeled as antisemitic…it is so true and you can’t deny those facts….they even have great control of the media……one of the most important things in christianity is reading the bible and following it…and if you don’t believe what the bible says you are not a real christian..am sorry but you’re not….Now, As a christian Mel Gibson made a movie based on the Gospel..whats wrong with that?…now people on tv are mentioning that historians think that Jesus was crucified by the Romans and not the jews….in fact they told him that when they intervied him on a tv program….leave the guy alone people…he does not think that historians are right…he is a christian and as a christian he believes in the Bible and he made a movie based on the bible….
Dear Joseph,
I agree that it is sad that you fail to understand other people, and that you have so little knowledge of the New Testement, (which is not the Bible) that you believe Mel Gibson’s song and dance about this being a remake of the biblical account of Jesus’s death. Now that the movie is available to the public it is clear that it is a fictionaliztion(which means a story created by embellished a few facts) created by a person who was anti-semetic.Furthermore the depiction of thos of Jewish ancestory in this movie in not based on reality, rather on Jewish sterotypes which were created by the Tsars of Russia and repeated with a dramatic flair by Nazi’s ever since. Guess which catagory Mel seems to be falling into.
Finally, for those who still can not read, nobody is claiming that Jews will hate Christians. The Jews are not currently Christians, but NON-CHRISTIANS, (a group of which Jews are a small minority) are. This movie is being banned, or under consideration of being banned in a number of religiously diverse nations because of it’s potential to incite violence. The question all good christians should answer is whether that violence is justified by the anti-semitism of the movie.
Dr. Morgan I don’t think that you understood what my point is…and if you did so, i can only say that you are changing the topic here.
“The question all good christians should answer is whether that violence is justified by the anti-semitism of the movie.”
The movie was not antisemetic in the least- actually the romans were portrayed in a much darker manner.
Remove chip from shoulder please- intolerance of other peoples differences and beliefs is what fuels anger and violence-
After seeing The Passion, I felt somewhat astonished. Being a Christian taking a ‘Lost’ person to the movie with me, I felt very upset after the movie…
Not that it was the movie that was affecting me, but the opinions of many other people. Here’s my point of view; if it’s accepted anywhere. Many people say that is is indefinitely Anti-Semitism involved, but I disagree. Why? The bible is considered fact in many ways, and by many people. There are Romans and Jews involved in the story of Christ’s Crucifixion. If you think about it, or even study it, half of the people killing Christ were Jews. If you look for answers in the bible you’ll find them, and I don’t go to a Christian Private School to study the Athiests theories. Take the Leviathan for example: The Athiest point of view was that Dinosarus existed thousands of years ago. The Bible tells us this; and then they found a Plesiosaur. All I can say is that many humans don’t understand the book of wisdom is just that. They overlook the records they refuse to accept.
So I believe that Mel Gibson has done a great job on this movie. I don’t like people that tell me what I want to hear, I like those who are honest. Honestly WILL hurt 90% of the time. So while many even believe Mel Gibson is forcing his beliefs on them, I have this to say:
“For those who make their own beliefs aren’t of God, but of Satan for wanting to deceive themself. The truth is given to us and we are to accept fact as it is. If you believe whatever you want, what would Christianity become? A living hell, that’s what.” I am merely sick of those who attack Mel Gibson, he is proving that he is a Godly man, and it’s obvious to true Christians that God has annointed him with the Holy Spirit. Those who hate others just for their race aren’t of God. At any rate, just keep in mind that there were indeed Jews killing Christ; and the story relays around the Romans and the Jews. The End.
Non: Far be it from me to correct someone else, but although the Romans inflicted the physical suffering on Jesus, it was Caiphas, a Jewish high priest, who pushed Pilate to bring about Jesus’s death. Pilate actually didn’t want to put Christ to death. It was Caiphas and the Sanhedrin who paid for the betrayal and the ultimate crucifixion. And Dr. Morgan, although the New Testament is not the entire Bible, it is a huge part of the Bible accepted by Christians across the world. True to my prediciton, I did not have the urge to go out and kill the first Jew I saw after leaving the movie on Ash Wednesday. And neither will anyone else with any sense.
I haven’t seen The Passion yet nor do I plan on seeing it. To me it looks like all the other Jesus movies the only difference being that it is in Aramic and that is is the most bloody and gory. I am waiting for someone to do a “realistic” movie about Jesus. If you look at the prophetic message in Isaih 53 Jesus would not have been a good looking man as is portrayed in the movie. Also the Bible says in Mathew, I believe that it is a disgrace for a man to have long hair so why would Jesus, a Jewish rabbi, have long hair? Also archeoligical data from that period would show that most people were in the 5 ft. range in height. I wish people would stop fantising about what they think Jesus was like and make a realistic movie about him. I would find it much more interesting than watching a six ft. tall hippy looking guy that looks like he’s posing for GQ magaine. Please!!! Is the public that stupid?
Yep Morgan I am real. The fact is the christians were a part of judaism for the first four hundred years. The council of Nicea is a fact to a dubious history. The BarKochba rebellion is a fact. The destruction of the Temple is a fact. Judaism was broken up into many sects back in Jesus time: the Zealots, the Essenes, Christians, Pharasees and Saducees. It was not a monolith. When the temple was destroyed the only two heirs rose from the ashes: Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity. I have decided that Christianity has followed the true line. Everyone is free to decide what they think. Mormonism on the other hand is a splinter group of Christianity, and originating in the 1850’s and an heir to nothing.
Doesn’t anyone ever ask the question: why did the jewish prophets fall silent, Jesus comes onto the scene(the new temple) and then shortly after his arrival the physical stone Temple is destroyed never to be rebuilt? hmm I heard an Orthodox jewish lady say in response to why the temple nolonger exists: In certain holy individuals the glory of God is inside them. They are the temple. That is correct. Okay now go into a catholic/eastern orthodox church. See the disciples of Christ, see the little fires on their heads. There it is. I heard another Orthodox Jewish lady say: maybe we all together are the messiah. You got it: The church is the body of Christ, the new temple. Christians have been saying that all along. First the temple was a stone building which the glory of God decended on, then it Christ was the temple(that temple was destroyed and rebuilt), now the temple is the Holy Spirit on the Church. There is the trinity. The trinity isn’t three gods. The Father , the son begotten of the father, and the Holy spirit proceeding. The burning bush says it all, if God could be in the bush, he could be in the body of a human being, fully God and fully man.
BTW The mormon religion is a teensy tiny fraction subset of Christianity confined to Utah. They are dwindling in numbers and will soon become extinct just like the gnostics(and other pretenders to the throne.) Catholicism is a 2,000 year old “cult by your definition” with one billion members.
Yeh, the only reason the Catholic Church is “maybe” a billion strong is because it goes into these third world countries and brain washes all the uneducated masses. No one with half a brain would belong to a religion that is built on so many lies. It is evil in and of itself and cannot pull itself away from it’s destruction to come. Read Revelation it is all about the fall of the Catholic Church (the antichrist) The true church is inside of every believer no matter what church they belong to. Every believer is a temple Holy Spirit with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. Repent of you sins and ask Jesus into your life and he will dwell in you. It is a gift not of works lest any man should boast. That means you cannot be born into it like an inherentance from your parents. That means you cannot work for it no matter how many good works you do. Our works are as filthy rags to the Lord. And remember you can’t be perfect as Christ was perfect that is why we need him because even though we try so hard to do right we have trouble. If you want Jesus you have to ask him into your life. Like someone once said Jesus is a gentleman he’s not going to come in unless you ask him. Can’t remember the verse about Jesus standing at the door and nocking but it’s a good one that really pulls at the heart. Thank God we have salvation outside of an organized human religious/political institution like the Catholic Church or any other church for that matter. Jesus is our High Priest not the pope. The pope has no power in the heavenly places only on this earth were he is the right arm of Satin who rules this earth.
The word of Jesus on the cross “Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing” The movie of Mel Gibson will not encourage hatred to Jews.Why? Because first of all hatred was not in the vocabulary of Jesus but rather forgiveness, love, mercy and salvation.What happenned to the Jesus last twelve hours on earth wer all well plan by the father. No one to blame not the Jews at that time nor the Romans because they are just doing their role to complete the redemption of Jesus to all humanity. In the garden of Gethsemani Jesus said “not my will Father but your will be done.” If for instance the Rabbi,Scribes and the mobbers had delayed their action probaly Jesus will rebuke them like what He did to Peter at the time he revealed his mission,on earth “The Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected by the elders, the chief priest, and the teacher of the law. He will be put to death, but on the third day he will rise to life.” Then Peter rebuke him but Jesus turned around and said “Get away from me Satan,” he said “your thoughts don’t come from God but from human nature. Therefore what happened to The Passion of The Crist are well orchestrated by God and it is a mystery. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him will have an everlasting life.Going back to the movie Mel Gibson is just an intrument to remind all who will watched the movie about the magnitude of God’s love for all his people. Anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ must deny himself carry his cross daily and follow him. Hatred is not found in any teaching of Jesus but instead love, forgiveness and mercy.If in any case after you watch the movie and you harbor hatred to Jews or Roman then you are not a real follower of Christ.
oh, Dr. Morgan…the new testament is not the bible…oh, wow you are very smart….now come on people, lets get our acts together have some common sense. The man made a movie based on the gospel and tried his best not to make the jews look like they are responsible for everything…now if he wanted to portray the jews in a very bad way he would not have taken the translation, “their blood and their children’s blood upon us” out. Now, there are many movies made in the u.s. that portray so many ethnic groups in a bad way…but they don’t make such a big deal about…and i agree that this truly shows how much grip the jews have on the american media..and not only that they even pressured mel to change the script before the movie even coming out which is rediculus and again i do agree is unamerican…now lets grow up and stop wining….thank you
There can be no doubt that there is a connection between the Nazi attrocities and the story of the death of the Rabbi Yeshua (”Jesus”). All members of the Nazi leadership were raised as Catholics and their hatred for Jews was taught by the Church. And it is a fact that the R.C. Church conspired with Hitler to follow-through with the wholesale murder of Jews.
What is very telling, unfortunately, are the main reasons that people are seeing the Mel Gibson movie. There are really only two reasons: (1) it plays upon Anti-Jewish feelings; and (2) it depicts violence and cruelty against the Rabbi Yeshua. These are the only reasons for the film’s existence. What these people do not understand, ironically, is that by going to see this film, they are merely unconsciously repeating the genocide perpetrated by the Romans upon the Rabbi Yeshua. And the Romans were, of course, the precursors of the Catholic Church.
It would take another Jew, Sigmund Freud, to fully explain the Chistian perversity and bloodlust for Jewish blood, be it actual or symbolic, as in the ritual eating of Yeshua’s flesh (wafer) and drinking his blood (wine).
Some of the above comments prove that some Jews can be as bigoted as some Christians. Respect and tolerance should be mutual. Sensitivity should be reciprocal. Every time Christians are ignorantly painted with a broad brush by those who falsely accuse them of anti-Semitism, the credibility of the accusers is further diminished in the eyes of objective people.
you people make it look like jews are the angels of the earth and that whatever they do we should not criticize them and that its ok to call catholics any name (like antisemites) and make a movie that portrays catholics as the bad ones as long as the jews have nothing to do with wrong doing. What in the world is the kind of philosophy is that? For God’s sake, innocent people are being killed everyday in some parts of the world and you people are not giving a rats ass about these people and how they are portrayed in america. But whats unfortunate is that America is not a real democracy but yet its people still think it is…but, i think that one person has realized this in america and it is mel gibson.
Jesus was a Jew, the twelve desciples were Jewish the first members of the church were Jewish. I respect Jews for bringing us the Bible the Old Testiment and the New Testiment. We must remember that the Roman Catholic church was started by Romans the enemy of the Jew YET they take all the credit for starting the “church” of Christ. Are they real or are they counterfiet? I think anyone with half a brain can answer that.
I am sad too see this situation arise, and assure you that many Jews, like myself, wish that these charges were never made. It is obvious that good people do not hate groups, and those who hate Jews don’t require this film. All bigots have justifying mythologies. I am what I do, as you are. BTW, I also have problems with Sharon, the wall, and settlements. So do many Israeli’s. The Palestinians suffer from their radicals, as well.
You people are crazy!!!!
Mel Gibson is using Christ and people’s faith
to keep himself in the public eye and make a fortune.
He is taking candy from a baby. He is anti-semitic
and Jewish is a religion not a race of people
who’s skin is not milky white.
MEl Gibson i think you are the man this movie was spectacular i mean you but everything to the t im not a big going to church kind of fan but i do believe that there is a God and you proved to everybody that he is true and i cant thank you more im only 17 and i was so touch by your movie i cant explain why i love you for that and keep up the good work bye!!!
Well after reading all the above posts there is one thing in common everyone has there own opinion and it is unlikely to change that with a post here. I did see the movie as did a large group from our church. (Baptist)After the movie we sat with our pastor in a group and discussed the movie to help settle all our differences. The movie was based on both the Gospels,mystism,dreams and some hollywood license. As a christian I do not blame anyone for the death of Christ as we are all to blame. I do not hate Jews Jesus was a Jew I need to understand Judaism to lunderstand Christianity. I would only hope that someday someone will make a film about the real reason Christianity came to be and that is the Resurrection of Jesus not the crucifixon. Then again they did see: http://www.resurrection-themovie.com
Yeshua the Messiah is the Son of God, not God of Trinity.
Passion of Christ movie – one of us not importing to Israel – they know about Yeshua…extensive violence toward Yeshua – all way to his execution.
Roman 11 – don’t be boast over natural branch – hellenistic (greek) view bad.
Torah revealed: came from Jerusalem as he was told to (for Gentile) – Shaul (Paul) revealed – Hear it so do it!
Many christian evangelists, pastors cause to deceive every persons.
The Biblical authors are always wrong.
As the Biblical movies are wrong at once.
Passover was celebrated by 12 Yeshua’s(Jesus) disciples on Seder, but Easter was not celebrated.
Everyone Christian protestants worship Yeshua – Christian protestants believe that Trinity.
We worship One true G-d…not 3 persons in G-d.
G-d is the Father and Yeshua is the Son.
A passion of the christ is catholic-dominated movie from Europe, not in Israel.
Italian actors and actresses may boast – they played to act on the anti-Messianic sentiments.
They hurt from the anti-Semitism feelings that is not good for any other person.
i saw the movie tonight for the first time. if believeing in God and Jesus makes me a christian then i guess i am. wouldn’t it be nice if the world had just one race of people? we could call them human beings. they could all have the same hair, eyes etc. etc. etc. there would be no rich or poor and no wrong side of the tracks to be from. Gee, what would all the bigots, raceists and other idiots find to hate then ??????
the movie was great! i think it’s about time someone did away with all the white wash and showed us how it really was. hard and painful as it was to watch i’ll always thank mr. gibson for making the movie.
Hello? The bible is the most accurate, reliable, and proven piece of historical document that ever existed. Why? if what was profesied in the old testiment comes to pass in the new, I just don’t understand how anyone could discredit it. Yes, Jesus was crucified 2000 years ago by people of that time and in that culture. Pontius Pilate really didn’t find any fault in Jesus and really didn’t want to kill him. It was mostly the church in that day that wanted him dead, not the Romans or the Jews. The church thought that Jesus was going to lead a revolt against the roman empire and they didn’t want to be any part of it because they thought the romans government would blame them. By eliminating Him, it would prevent any such things and future disputes against them (the church). What I just said is my opinion of what happened, not actual fact because I was not there in that day. The bible is very clear though that Pontius Pilate (by the way was a real person) really found no fault in Jesus. The men who actually killed Jesus were roman but were “ordered” to kill Him because the crowd insisted. People killed Jesus, not jews. Jesus was a jew and was amoungst jews. If Jesus was english and was in england would He have been killed there too? Of course! Just because the jews were there and happened to shout “crucify him!” doesn’t mean that no one else would have done it anywhere else in the world. Regardless of whether or not Mel Gibson’s movie is antisemetic shouldn’t matter. We need to see the movie for what it is. Was the blood and gor necessary? Of course it was! How can anyone have any respect for the christian faith and what historically happened if we can’t see it first hand? I myself don’t particularily like to watch bloody movies but in this case, I think it is an awesome idea to show people what you believe and bring the accounts to life. Also, I haven’t seen any movie so far that portrays this and it will be interesting to see.
this movie was asome
YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!
ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER LIKE THIS GOES AGAINST ANY RELIGIOUS BASIS OF PEACE AND HARMONY. NOT ONE OF YOU REALIZES THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING ONLY CAUSES MORE CONFLICT AND UNREST. WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE!! HOW ABOUT WORKING TOWARDS BUILDING A MORE PEACEFULL FUTURE WITH RELIGION INSTEAD OF USING IT AS A WEAPON.
The film is great for it’s technique and style. I felt the pain on my skin.
Watching this film I made clear for myself once again, how ruthless Human being can be. Aren’t we behave same way after 2000 years?
i’m moslem but that movie really made me cry hard….it’s just great….
I think this move was wary good to deskreib somebody pain for you to fell how is to be givin life for so many people to open streit for as to be good in future ,love you neighbor like you love you self . That is his worth but we so many move about love and beliv in him bat how is wit his pain for as . That wat move is about to fell somebody pain for you .
Eh, I don’t find your argument convincing, although I do agree that Davis is toast and that he probably should be, based on his behavior in office.
I’m not sure why you are so up-in-arms that some celebrities are against Arnold’s campaign. Why are you so offended. And couldn’t it just be that he’s running as a Republican and the above named actors are of a Liberal mindset?
I’m not up-in-arms or offended. I just think they need to shut up about it. The only thing that matters to an individual regarding his or her vote is what handle they pull in the booth on voting day. The idea of these politically-ignorant asshats spouting off about this guy is just more of the same mindless garbage we hear from them on other issues. If Woody and Cybill are so against the guy, give me a realistic, supportable reason why…what stance does the man have that’s so frightening to these people? Don’t give me that generic “I’m against him” or “we have the goods on him” stuff, followed by silence. Influence me with substance. Otherwise, shut up.
Hey, I guess I am up in arms.
I’m always happy to find a Jacksonville weblogger (I linked to your site today on SportsFilter, but I gotta give you some grief here. If you think celebrities should shut up and stop pretending that fame gives them political insight, how can you support Schwarzeneggar?
Rogers: thanks for the link, got some nice hots from your site…I have an update to that Jags story…
The major difference between Arnold and the Usual Suspects is that at least Arnold is putting his political money where his mouth is for the good, hopefully, of his adoped home state. The rest of them do all kinds of helpful things, like chaining themselves to fences at nuclear power plants (Sheen) or rattling off them most ridiculous socialist crap (Asner) or smoking dope (Harrelson). A lot of good that’s all going to do for California. Winning the state house would be a big pay cut for Arnold, and he might actually do some good. I don’t necessarily support Schwartznegger, either. I find his politics a little too left of center for my liking. No matter. I live in Florida.
Pizda
Well, it’s him or Bustamante. I don’t want to vote for Schwarzenegger. In fact, I wish this recall hadn’t happened at all. We’ll most likely end up with Bustamante, which is absolutely unacceptable.
I would vote for McClintock but it would probably be a wasted vote. I wish he had a real chance, but I don’t think so. So it might be the lesser of 2 evils, Arnold or Cruz. I can’t see that Cruz would be much better than Gray Davis frankly.
Seeing as Bustamante belongs to an organization that wants to give California to Mexico, I think he’s a particularly bad choice for governor.
Who is the “this guy” you link to?
A singer named Dan. The link is to his website.
Yeah, I went over to Catholic Pundits, and you explain it there…sorry…
Don’t apologize.
BTW, I like your site. On the blogroll.
Thanks. I’ll link to yours too, and also to CatholicPundits.
Hmmm, well I was a devoted Mac user for a time, until my dad started getting free PCs from the places he’s worked. Now I have a great many computers, and I have to say I like and dislike Macs and PCs. Macs have problems all the time, that I can usually fix. PCs have problems rarely that I have no clue about.
Of course, Al Gore is employed by Apple, so I might just have to boycott them….I’d sure hate to though.
The thing about Apples that makes them appealing to some people is the fact that they actually discourage you from getting into the computer the way you would with a PC. Most Mac users I know like the way you just turn it on, and it works.
In an odd way, that’s what makes the PC so appealing to me. Consider the number of different versions of Windows and Linux that run on one. Then consider the hundreds of motherboards, hard drives, video cards, network cards, modems and other devices that somehow manage to work with those systems, most of the time. When you consider the chaos involved, I’m surprised any of it works at all.
Of course, I attribute that to the brilliance of designers, programmers and bug chasers. Not Bill Gates.
Beautifully said.
Sad we need patches, but, y’know, it’s part of life in the computer age.
hln
From the Talmud: The thief is not the mouse. The thief is the hole that lets the mouse in.
Fred: Incredible. That hit it right on the head.
Hmmmm . . so a theif breaks into my house and steals my laptop, and I’m to blame because I didn’t put bars on my windows?????
No. Even if I don’t lock my front door, I have a right to expect to be secure in my home.
Geo: what you have a “right” to and what reality is are often two different things. You can have all the “rights” in the world. If someone wants that laptop, they’re gonna take it. Using a piece of software doesn’t mean you have a right to it being secure, either.
Once launched, computer attacks like the Blaster worm have a mind of their own, so comparing them to a house burglar is a bad analogy. They’re more like a rainstorm.
Geo: If you leave your convertible’s ragtop down and rain ruins the leather seats, do you blame the rain or the person who failed to take reasonable precautions against a foreseeable circumstance?
An Internet-connected machine is subjected to exploit attempts all day long — my firewall logs dozens every week. Anyone who doesn’t keep their system up-to-date on patches and activate a firewall is like a convertible driver who never puts the top up.
Yes, and from listening to the pissed off HD Riders the following morning, I have no desire to meet the yuppie exec who pulled that one off.
JAGUARS ARE TIGHT
THEY GOING TO WOOP EVERY BODY’S BUTTS IN THE STATE AND I KNOW YALL FEEL ME
GO JAGS,GO JAGS
Wow, that would be cool if you could meet him! Hardly seems like you’d ever get a better chance.
Meet him? Hell, wait until I post later today…you’re not going to believe what’s going on here….
Wow, sounds interesting.
How sad is that – having to close the blinds? Makes no sense.
Nation’s biggest VIP? Probably the world’s biggest VIP, at least until Ben Affleck and J. Lo reproduce.
My wife covered the first President Bush at an appearance in Dallas/Fort Worth once and may have even gotten to exchange pleasantries with him.
That had to suck not getting to see the president. I’m surprised that your office didn’t get to stand outside and at least wave at the guy.
Ben and J.Lo reproducing…there’s a frightening thought…a kid wtih a big ass who can’t act.
On the Prez: yeah, how hard would it have been to run some fast checks on some of us in the building and let us watch him arrive from behind the flight line fence, or, perish the thought, from the roof near the tower? I’m planning on e-mailing the base C.O. to let him know how angry I am. I understand the need to keep the man safe. But, come on…
The detail evaluates the number of windows they have to cover (watch) from which a sniper could shoot. Closing the blinds means elss windows to cover.
At least that’s the theory. You’d think a sniper could use a very narrow opening. But it’s combination of things, agents opening doors at random throughout the building, security sweeps, etc. that make it more effective.
Good point, Dave.
The windows of my office, however, can’t be opened, as they are double-paned windows permanently set in the wall. There are also rolldown hurricane shutters attached to the outside wall. If someone were insane enough to try shooting someone though those windows, they’d have to shoot through two thick panes of glass. There are some windows in the building that do open, most located on the opposite side of the building, closer to where the plane was actually parked.
As I said in the original piece, I have no issues with security. But considering who the people are here, it’s seemed a little over the top, especially considering the people who did get to see Mr. Bush up close.
I, too, must wish the best niece in the world the happiest of birthdays. She TRULY is everything you said, Joe!
Nothing to add here (after all, how can you top a wonderful summation like that?), except Happy Birthday to an extraordinary young woman who I am privileged to know!
Happy Belated Birthday Sweetheart!!!!!!! I only wish we could all be together to celebrate. Please always rememeber that even though we may be far away,we are always thinking of you! We Love You!!!! XXX000 Uncle Ronnie,Aunt El, Justin, Grandma & Grandpa. (Oh, and Sparky)
You, my friend, are a funny sumbitch. I’ll laugh more once the severe burning sensation caused by the sudden intake of wine into the sinus cavity subsides.
I agree with your article. Everyone wants to put the blame for everything on the U.S. But when anyone needs help it is always the U.S. that is first to be there. I wonder how much help we could get from other countries? That is with exception of Great Britain. Americans are sensitive to the killing of innocent people- otherwise Iraq would be leveled flat by now. al Quida would not care about innocent people. Then again al Quida is made up of cowards.
Happy Anniversary!
24 years – wow, it seems like yesterday when I was wearing that yellow junior bridesmaid dress (it was 1979!) and dancing with you at the reception, Joe. Happy Anniversary!
I can’t believe 24 years have passed. Happy Anniversary!!!!!! Ronnie and I are celebrating 8 years tomorrow. It’s amazing how fast time goes by.
Congratulations!
Wynnona JUDD, not Ryder … NOW who needs rehab … heh! …
Oh, damn, what the hell was I thinking? Must have my mind on that bee-atch who has my money.
Thanks.
Can direct me to any more info(movies,sites,books) ect. on pimpin I would really appreciate it, Thank You.
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This got me worked up the first time around. I cannot believe he’s continuing this nonsense. Maybe I’ll start having “Amazing Randi Day” over at my blog once a week.
This turdnugget obviously takes himself waaay too seriously. I think he knows he is full of crap and is afraid everyone else will find out. Otherwise, he shouldn’t be so threatened by your blog post. I loved your comment about J Lo and Ben – cracked me up.
I can’t stand John Edwards either. He used to come on in the morning after my favorite local morning show and everytime he made me want to throw up.
IMO these charlatans are among the worst kind of scumbags because they prey on people who are hurting and grieving.
When Will i get married. When Will I get a New Job. When Will I drive and learn how to use a car.Wil I have any kids. Does edwin williams loves me. Who is my enemies and why are they talking about me.When Will I Win the lottery. Thank you have a nice day. I need to know more about my future and for others also thats around me.
Do you really believe in predictions? All the predictions that realize are no more than coincidences or efforts.
Hi, found your blog during a search for something else on Google. Hope you don’t mind if I comment.
You’re right … that story would make anyone cry. Tears of empathy and admiration for the child, anger at the mother … hell, anger that such a thing could happen in the first place. I’m a mother myself and my second daughter will be three next week, so it’s hard for me to fathom how a parent could be so neglectful.
Thank God Breana’s OK.
Hello,
I just surfed here and read this entry of yours. Great job. I have a few thoughts though.
First let me agree with you in your characterization of the impact Rush has on all of us, “His commentary forces you to think. Even those who vehemently disagree with everything he says have to agree that just his presence in the marketplace forces them to look hard at what they believe and perceive about everything.”
Second, those of us who have suffered drug addictions simply would like to see Rush cop to his addiction as well and even perhaps talk about how it has likely changed some of his opinions on the drug war. Drug addicts are worthy of more than base contempt as he has often expressed for drug addicts.
Third, “I don’t see Mr. Bush or the state’s law enforcement agencies pulling drug users off the streets and filling the jails with their tortured bodies.” I would argue that you don’t see them becasue none of your friends are drug addicts. Wake up and check some facts. Half of the US prison population is composed of non-violent drug offenders. Of those, almost half is there for possesion, not traffiking. As a corrollary to this, you should know that the perception of the professional drug dealer is a myth. The vast majority of dealers are employed at a legal job for income, and deal drugs for extra income to support thier own habits.
Fourth, you say “until this society is ready to bear the burden of potentially millions of addicts legally using those various substances, drug dealers should be dealt with as harshly as possible, just to keep them away from our kids.”
There already are millions of people addicted to drugs today, and criminalization isn’t a way of “dealing” with it, it is a way of ignoring it. In the US today it is far easier for kids to get illicit drugs than it is to get alcohol. If drugs were legalized and even distributed, there obviously would be age limits imposed (and hopefully strictly enforced) similar to cigarettes and alcohol. I’m specualting here, but I think drug use among kids would drop. This seems to have been the case in Holland’s drug legalization history.
Fifth, I want to point out the single flaw in this line of reasoning, “You see, the user still has to pay for the drugs they use. Which means they need a job. And they eventually won’t be able to do their jobs very well if all they worry about is their next ingestion or if they’re high all the time. Eventually, they lose the job and wind up on the street, committing crimes to pay for the drugs they need. This cycle might sound familiar…since it’s similar to what happens now with illicit drugs. But, don’t worry, everything will be fine…the tax dollars generated by people’s drug habits will be used to fund their rehabilitation! But, what happens if everyone using drugs goes through rehab and stops using the drugs? Won’t the tax revenues dry up? What’s a government supposed to do then, encourage drug use to help society?”
I know you’re being flippant but obviously rehab wouldn’t isn’t going to make everyone stop using drugs. There will be a constant fresh supply of new drug addicts with every new generation. All through the escalation of the drug war, drug use rates have _risen_ not fallen, and continue to rise today. The drug war is a failure, drug criminalization is a failure. The cycle you outlined above is otherwise correct though. Highly addictive drugs will cause people to lose thier jobs and motivate them to engage in petty theft to pay for thier habits. Such a scenario however does not apply to the “soft” drugs that aren’t phhysically addictive. If decriminalization is to happen it will have to be a slow process, that goes step-wise through different classes of drugs, allowing our society to adjust and adapt to the changes as they are introduced. First with marijuana and then maybe with mushrooms, then with who knows what else. All along the way the governments job will still be to discourage drug use, the anti-drug message should be redoubled. None of us who are taking drug decriminalization seriously are saying that drugs aren’t bad for you. All drugs are bad for you, its just that some drugs won’t cause you to lose your job. Caffeine, nicotine, alcohol and even THC fall into this category. The vast majority of soft and hard drug users maintain full-time jobs and lead happy but secret lives.
The picture of drug decriminalization isn’t one of “everything goes wooooo! party”. No. Its one where laws are in place and even more strictly enforced against (in broadest sense) public intoxication, driving while intoxicated, sales to minors, theft, and black market dealing.
At some point in thinking about all of this you have to ask yourself, is it right to throw people in jail when they are only hurting themselves? Of course it isn’t. Sure, hard, addictive drugs have been shown to increase the rate of other petty crimes when not adminstered properly. That being the case be draconian about punishing people for the actual crimes, even the petty ones. But leave those who are able to manage thier addictions without hurting anyone else around them alone. Prison has never helped a drug addict get sober, I know from experience on this one.
Signed,
Clean for 10 years and counting
PS: I wrote the above entry as a single pass. I apologise for the typos and grammar errors that come with that. No time to proofread as I have to get to work.
PPS: The image of the opiate addict losing his job due to his addiction and then resorting to theft as a means of income to support the habit seems in direct contrast to the anecdote of Rush Limbaugh maintaining an opiate drug habit for years while running a very successful talk radio show, doesn’t it? Food for thought when you know how similar vicodin and heroin or morphine are. Rush’s example is effectively and argument for the legalization of recreational drugs. If he can work through it without losing his job, anyone can, right?
So now Rush has come out and said it, he’s been abusing drugs. He didn’t acquire them legally. And now the prosecutors want to offer him the same deal they offer everyone they bust for drugs, give up your dealer or go to jail. And that’s how it works. I fully expect Rush to give up his dealers (not just the maid, there were others) and avoid jail. But what about the people who get thier drugs as a shared resource between thier closest friends and family? Well, these people go to jail obviously. So don’t even try and say that they aren’t going after the users.
The fact is, Rush broke the law. Do we excuse him for it? If so, how do you rationalize a sense of moral consistency now?
In other sports news, check out what happened to the Jaguars Pro-Bowl punter.
What was really disturbing was the fact that the guy had to be escorted out of the stadium by security amid chants of “Kill him! Kill him!”.
Hey Cubbie fans… go Marlins.
It’s good to see somebody offering an alternative viewpoint …
COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC: I just now noticed that the quote below your masthead is by Elvis Costello … now you’ll have “Man Out of Time” going through my head all day!
I have my big 30 reunion coming up next spring. We graduated in the spring in the south.
I feel positively young. My 30th isn’t for another few years yet (not that I’ll go to that one either).
Hope you have a good time!
It’s really great when things fall in place and we get to experience things we thought we never would get to experience!
Joe – it was FANTASTIC sharing that with you! Couldn’t have been better. Love you!
Mo: Absolutely, kiddo. I still can’t believe we were there. I’ll never forget how great that evening was.
Love you!
I graduated from St. Anthony’s in 1967 and have since moved to California. I’ve never heard about any reunions until I read this posting. If you know of any upcoming reunions please let me know and I will do my best to attend.
Those were some very good years and I would love to see some of my old classmates.
Dude, I think the T.U. will publish anything as long as it’s signed and dated. They usually try and balance the letters page so I suspect that was the only left-leaning letter they could find for that day. Lame, I know. Great site, by the way. –scott
Well, I have to wonder if the T-U editors are all having a laugh over that one anyway. I don’t think it’s so lame. It’s nice to know what the enemy is thinking. Thanks for the compliment.
I have cable access and am considering using a router in conjunction with the firewall I currently use (plus that means I could add another computer to the one connection). I also turn off the computer when it’s not in use (why waste the electricity?).
But it positively frightening how many “hits” the firewall records on my system for the small amount of time it is on!
Please share something new. Your just flapping your lips repeating what ever dribble you read.
OK, but I’m going to remember your words when Fox includes scenes of virgin sacrifice in a mini-series on the Clintons.
Damn, Rogers, I missed that one.
Trust me, nothing Fox does (except NFL football and the Simpsons) can be trusted, either. Especially since they made us believe we’d never have Joe Millionaire again.
I am envisioning a graphic that depicts a medical team putting out a man’s flaming pants with a fire extinquisher.
For some reason, this reminded me of when I used to take the bus to work from West Hollywood to Century City.
The bus driver would let a mentally ill woman on the bus every day. She would refuse to pay and sit in the back shouting obscenities, calling people Nazis and saying things like “You eat Linda Westermeyer’s c**t!”
One day, the driver refused to proceed unless the woman either paid or got off the bus. He told her that he was calling the transit police. The woman went nuts and started hitting a young woman who was sitting next to her, saying “You’re Linda Westermeyer!” Since it was obvious no one else was going to intervene, I pulled the woman away from her attack and threw her off the bus. The crowd applauded and I felt like giving them all the finger. When the transit cop came, he took a report and I figured the woman would be arrested and charged with assault.
Nope.
Several days later, that same woman got on the bus with a gun (I was sitting where I couldn’t see her). She took the gun out of her purse, loaded it — with several people watching — and shot a French tourist. We all fled the bus and the swat team came in a killed the woman who remained holed up in the bus — while the tourist bled to death.
The woman turned out to be the only child of Holocaust survivors. She lived alone in one of those houses packed full of trash that you read about so often. Her neighbors knew she was insane, and had made hundreds of calls to authorities over the years.
When I called the sheriff’s department to complain that this woman had been permitted to ride the bus without paying for as long as I had been a passenger, I was told “So what?”
So, when you talk about society eroding and lack of responsibiltiy, I have several questions regarding this particular incident.
Who should be responsible for ensuring that mentally ill get proper treatment?
What should be the consequences for failing to respond to warnings from neighbors?
What would you do if someone took out a gun and started loading it on a bus?
Since this happened, I have not been able to use public transportation.
Compare this to the case that you described.
Speaking of regulations, one community that was completely burned AROUND, not up, but surrounded by the fire up to their doorsteps without a single home lost, had some of the most strigent building codes in southern California. No wood in the roof systems were allowed, all clay tile, and the siding had to be flame retardant. The windows were required to be sufficiently heat and wind resistant. The landscaping had to contain plants that retained water and would not seasonally dry out. The community’s adjacent land, owned by the associations, must be maintained, regularly thinned. While I’ve never met a regulation I could like, these precautions seem to have worked, but I’m sure middle class folk like me have been priced out by all the add-ons.
This guy was a guest on some cable news talkshow a few years back, on the topic of the N-word if I remember correctly. Anyway, the bitterness was palpable, attributable to his band’s decline I suspect. You see, they believed they were somehow high-brow rap. And while that may be admirable, it certainly won’t sell much. Good post.
You may recall that Madonna sued an Italian company called “Madonna” several years ago (I think they made jewelry). The Italian judge dismissed the case saying that there was already someone of greater significance named Madonna.
Actually, I did think of the group when I heard the name of the show … but my thought was that this was just another thing named after the common phrase, like the band was, instead something having anything to do with the band.
So I think you’re right: 1)Most people who have heard of the band won’t think there’s a connection; and 2) Most people haven’t heard of/don’t remember the band …
Let’s just hope some idiot judge doesn’t give them the time of day …
The Warren Commision lied to the American Public.
They knew if the people of the United States knew
this much beloved president was killed by the CIA
there would be a possile war.You would have to be
braindead to believe the lies and distotions of
the Warren Commision.The government can continue to lie and lie. But the American people who loved John Kennedy know the truth. We plot assasinating
leaders of other countries.There was nothing to stop the CIA and FBI from doing it here.
Believe what you like. I’m not saying there was no involvement by some outside force…maybe there was. But I’m convinced that Oswald did it, and he did it alone. I also never said I believed the Warren Commission’s conclusions, or at least not their ways of arriving at it or how they’ve kept information under wraps for years.
Here’s my question to you: what did Killing JFK accomplish for these conspirators? If it was right-wingers, what we wound up with (LBJ) was a lot worse. The Cubans? Well, we’re still not dealing with them in any significant way, are we? The Mob? Not much left of them, is there?
I would place more credence in some conspiracy if the killing of Kennedy produced some kind of result that benefitted some large goal. But, if it did, I can’t figure it out.
And I still haven’t seen a shred of undeniable proof that there was a conspiracy. There were 13 or so men on the WC, along with hundreds of staffers, investigators, support personnel, etc. Try to get that many people to swear to absolute secrecy about something so incredible for 40 years. Ain’t gonna happen.
Show me the money…
The arguments of coincidence theorists are well-worn, vague, general, and easily dismissed.
The “no solid, concrete, irrefutable evidence” argument is made to ignore the damning circumstantial evidence of conspiracy. “Solid evidence” tends to be a euphemism for the kind of evidence that either never would have existed or would have been burned or shredded within hours of the murder — say, a memo confirming plans to assassinate the president on Nov. 22 in Dallas, found in the files of some CIA or Army Intelligence directorate, with a list of cc’s to all co-conspirators.
The “would have to have been hundreds of conspirators” argument is one of the attacks made on Stone’s “JFK.” Like most of the attacks made against the movie, it is refuted by the movie itself. In one scene, a character actually makes this argument, which is then patiently refuted, as the necessary shape and mechanism of historical conspiracies is explained. Only a few people ever needed to know.
The “someone would have talked” argument is refuted by the people who have done just that. Whether publicly or via FBI wiretap, from Rose Cheramie to Santo Trafficante, John Roselli, John Martino, and Richard Case Nagell, participants or those who had first-hand knowledge have so stated. In each instance, coincidence theorists have strained to point out their low and dubious character (a neat catch-22: involvement in a presidential assassination requires one to be an upstanding citizen and pillar of the community in order to confer the necessary credibility.) All such confessions must be denied in order to maintain a certain world view.
The “If Dan Rather says it, then it must be true” argument was refuted by Dan Rather. In 1963, he narrated the Zapruder film for CBS News viewers — the film itself was not allowed to be shown. In 1975, when the Zapruder film became publicly available, enterprising researchers toured the country with a presentation that synced up Rather’s 1963 narration with the film itself, capturing the moment when Rather told viewers Kennedy’s head “went forward with considerable violence,” driven by the impact of a fatal bullet from behind… as Kennedy’s head is seen clearly being driven backward under the impact of a bullet fired from in front. They “looped” this segment — repeating over and over the sequence of Kennedy’s head snapping backward as Rather intones the word “forward” — to drive the point home.
To Oswald’s marksmanship: If he took all the time he wanted to line up the first shot — his clearest, closest, easiest shot — this is also, coincidence theorists contend, the shot that missed. The 5.6 second clock on his marksmanship feat having thus commenced, he scored two hits, firing through trees at a rapidly diminishing moving target, a feat that could not be duplicated by expert marksmen. And they, for a fact, got plenty of practice:
“None other than Dan Rather admitted in a 1993 documentary on the assassination, ‘Who Killed JFK? The Final Chapter,’ that the 1967 CBS rifle test showed the alleged shooting feat would have been difficult. Specifically, Rather said the test showed ‘the odds are against’ a gunman doing what the WC said Oswald did. In fact, Rather added that this fact constituted support ‘for the theory that there perhaps was more than one gunman.’ What led Rather to say this? Because in the 1967 simulation NOT ONE of the eleven expert riflemen who took part in the test managed to score two hits out of three shots on the moving target sled in less than 6 seconds. Seven of them failed to do so on ANY attempt. Oswald would have one and only one attempt.” (Michael T. Griffith, “Fact vs. Myth in the JFK Assassination.”)
The Warren Commission’s own tests using crack shots produced equally dismal results, “even though they were allowed to take as long as they wanted for the first shot, even though two of them took longer than 6 seconds to fire, even though they were only firing from 30 feet up, and even though they were shooting at stationary target boards.”
In the face of such counter-indications, the increasing lengths to which coincidence needs to be stretched, and the increasing height of the mountain of eyewitness testimony and photographic, acoustic, ballistic, and forensic evidence pointing to a second gun, a conspiracy and a cover-up, it should be fairly impossible for anyone possessed of an open or inquiring mind to “finally conclude that [Oswald] actually did it, and move on.”
i agre that it was a conspiracy but i don’t know weather it should include our buddy LHO; as well to prove that he was involved. I find it very odd Oswald’s quotes and that picture he was shown wiht him and the rifle. If anybody can help me with my paper on this please email me oh wel thank you so very much and why would one assassin bring only 3 bullets to the scene? the three expended shells by oswald.
I don’t think oswald did it alone and i dffinitally do not agree with the warren commision. They over looked so much information that could have led to other conclusions. I think there were multiple shooters. The single bullet theory is not right. The second bullet couldn’t have traveled that far. There had to have been at least 5 bullets.
hi, i was researching the topic of jfk’s assination, and came across yours. i am 14 years old and my family are british, so i hadn’t had much of an idea about jfk’s assasination, until i got a school project about it!
i must say that you have given me some very good ideas for my report, and have helped me to realise how deep this event goes and also the many outcomes that may have occured.
i had very little knowledge of this event and am not about to have a harsh conflict on whether or not oswald was to blame.
and i don’t think other people should argue about it either!
as you said, no one can say whats right or wrong, unless we get more evidence, and someone comes forward with more information, which is getting more and more unlikely by the day, as it was so very long ago.
we let that horrible day slip through our fingers,and i think that now we should now concentrate ourselves on more recent events, so as not to let those become entangled with truth and lies.
we should be sorry that these things happen and try to deter them, but there is little we can do now but wonder…
This is for Joe, if he still frequents this sight:
If there was no cover up by the government in the assination of Kennedy, then why was the car that he was riding in (a Ford Lincoln)taken to a garage near the White House in complete secracy and locked away, until a week later when it was taken back to the Ford company to get the wind shield replaced(also in secracy, because the few who worked on the car were told that they would lose their jobs if they leaked any information and the records were also destroyed)? But if Kennedy was shot in the back of the head, like the FBI states, then why was the wind shield replaced? Because their was a bullet hole in it, that’s why!
this is for caitlin,
you really have no idea of how far a bullet could go when shot out of Oswald’s rifel… i mean that is a really powerful gun…and 5 shots!!! you have to be onb somthing if you think that there was at least 5 shots shot at kennedy… there was only three. one shot hit kennedy in the back and exited through his neck and hit the govenors leg. the second was the ont that hit the govenors wrist and shattered it. the third was the one that gave the head shot. if anydisagree’s with me please post your comments.
ooooooh and,
my idea of what happened was the organized crime therory. i think it was the mob who hired oswald to kill kennedy but they thought that oswald was going to talk and they also hired ruby to kill oswald. the mob had the motive and they had the equiptment to do the job. ruby has been into the crime circle for years because ruby has always been an underground man with Al Capone back in the day. so thats how he was linked. oswald was linked because when he left the U.S. military (he was trained with weapons) he was gone for a few months and no one could find him. he was sworn into secrecy by the mob. he killed kennedy and thats it. well thats my opinion post more its great….
Mystery Man-
Though the mob theory seems plausible, it is impossible to say that there were only three shots fired. Unless there was in fact a “magic bullet”, basic physics gives us enough common sense to know that a bullet cannot change direction so sharply in flight or pause in mid-air for 1.6 seconds. If you are not convinced, I suggest you see JFK or study up on basic physics.
For Joe,
Sadly, JFK’s assassination (the benefit of it) brought in from the end of the Vietnam from what I understand $220 billion a lot of money even in those days. Kennedy was oppose to the war there he said that to Walter Cronkite on TV. He fought for civil rights and was going to do something to help it out. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco he refuse to invade Cuba. He wanted to end the Cold War on his second term and bring back the troops that were in Vietnam in “65. He wanted to cut the oil depletetion allowance from the Texas oil barons. He wanted to revamp the CIA. He fired Allen Dulles (head CIA), Richard Bissel and Charles Cabal – CIA head people. (By the way Earle Cabal was Mayor of Dallas, Texas at the time of the JFK assassination and it is understood by some to changed the route of the Kennedy caravan to Houston and Elm (where was the Secret Service?). Kennedy wanted to help the little guy in every way which the so-called Establishment does not want to a very certain degree. They help out the rich instead. One way of doing that as Mr. X in Oliver Stone’s JFK movie says. ” THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF ANY SOCIETY IS FOR WAR”. “THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE OVER IT’S PEOPLE RESIDES IN ITS WAR POWERS. What do you think is happening now in Iraq? It’s all about OIL!! (but no one wants to talk about it because troops and people are dying over there) JFK would never had sent us over there. Maybe his brother Ted was right – this war was brought about first in Texas (Bushes) where probably his brothers death came about. (I’m from Texas myself – good people there). There were eyewitnesses who saw the gunmen at the picketed fence (grassy knoll area). Some people did have previous knowledge of it – some are dead because of it. The people who were involved with the assassination (of course not all, but the expendable ones) were probably eliminated to make sure of no leaks (common sense – its happened in the past and will continue). In my opinion the last real true independent U.S. President was John F. Kennedy the rest got to tow the line for the establishment. We really don’t live in a democratic country. There’s what some people call it a “shadow government” and that’s coming from some politicians and people in the public sector. Those are my personal feelings.
footnote: I forgot to edit that Earle Cabal was the brother of Charles Cabal who was deputy CIA, I understand, who was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs along with the head of CIA – Allen Dulles – and Richard Bissel all sacred cows of the CIA. Allen Dulles, by the way, was a member of the Warren Commission which brings the question to many why would he be part of the investigation of JFK when he was fired by the President. Some investigators say to hellp supervise the coverup which he was part of. The question is who had the power to reduce the security of the President that day. Why did the telephone system fail in Washington D.C. at the time of the assassination for, I believe, over an hour after the assassination – who had the power if it was done on purpose. There was a certain manual on Air Force One that is needed and used when a certain crisis as what happend in Dallas that day was missing. Who had the power to do all these things? It had to be the government. It had to be a cooperation of different agencies. As President Eisenhower said in his last speech in office “beware of the military-industrial complex”.
Raymond & all you other conspiracy goofs: give it up guys! It’s what it looks like: Kennedy was shot by Oswald who had been thinking about it for sometime and had days or weeks to acquire and internalize the “site picture” he would use to accomplish his feat of “marksmanship”. He knew his gun well and had is sighted it in.
While not an easy job, it was not the “miracle” shot that all of you conspiracy buffs portray: on the contrary, with some planning and luck, it was quite doable.
And now a special note to Raymond: Raymond, you moron, where did you get all that crap about what Kennedy was going to do for and to this country? What a load! Kennedy was a politician like any other. While he may have had some personal likes, dislikes and desires, he was not about to do anything that would seriously rock the boat. He was certainly no saint, scholar or genius. He was just a guy like any of our other American presidents.
Kids, don’t be fooled. These goof balls will come up with more grainy stills and more obscure “witnesses” but bear in mind that in 40 years, no credible witness with unassailable evidence has come forward and convincingly proved this supposedly massive conspiracy. Don’t hold your breath kids, ’cause they never will ’cause it doesn’t exist! Sometimes, weird, freaky shit happens in this world and it ain’t part of some huge conspiracy.
this is for M.M. there were 5 BULETS
the five bullets were…….
the one to the head
the two in his back
the one that hit the govener
and the last one hit the guy in the crowd
belive in that magic bullet crap all you bu there is no way that ONE BULLET made TWO different holes
im doing a project for school. i watched the directers cut of JFK there was FIVE BULLETS the goverment killed JFK because they didnt want the Kennedy family to have to much power.
that is why robert kennedy was shot
it was the god damn government who killed JFK
To John R. I was going to write to you a rebuttal, but your ignorance and foul language is not worth it!
sorry
M.M.=mystery man for thoughs of you who dont know
This is for John R: Who died and made you in charge of personal public opinion when it comes to past historical events such as the JFK assassination – Gerald Posner? You should check into a egomaniac anonymous treament facility. Good grief, people are entitled to their personal opinion of what they think happened. Were you there. I wasn’t and most people weren’t either. How do you know more than they do? Who made you God? This website is for people’s opinions if they wish to express their opinions, but you are always going get jerks like to put people down because you think you know it all ( what a jerk )
This is for John R: Who died and made you in charge of personal public opinion when it comes to past historical events such as the JFK assassination – Gerald Posner? You should check into a egomaniac anonymous treament facility. Good grief, people are entitled to their personal opinion of what they think happened. Were you there. I wasn’t and most people weren’t either. How do you know more than they do? Who made you God? This website is for people’s opinions if they wish to express their opinions, but you are always going get people like you who think they know it all.
I understand that JFK was going to rock the boat. Pull out completely out of Vietnam by 1965 if re-elected in ‘64 which people at the time believed he probably would. That was CIA’s plan which it is known from insiders they seem to be operating own their own without checking with the White House in certain matters. According to Sen. Mike Mansfield – JFK told him he was going break the CIA into a thousand pieces and throw it into the winds – revamp the CIA by stopping their clandestine operations NSAM 55 & 57 (National Security Action Memorandums). He wanted take away some of their power from them because he didn’t trust them any more (hence the Bay of Pigs fiasco). It is reported he wanted to make big changes which the big powers in the government didn’t want to see. There is reliable literature on this if you want to believe or not on this subject.
sorry if i offended any one with my mouth
Not you – Balfsar. Not you. I believe we are referring to John R. not you. This type of bickering on this website shouldn’t be, but you should not be cruel – language wise – for a person’s opinion. Some people might not think so, but you should respect people’s opinions, and not DEMEAN a person’s opinion. 99.99 percent of the people was not there and anything in life is possible to not think so, then one is being very naive.
I agree with “jjs”, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and bickering leads nowhere. However, if this site didn’t provoke some level of arguement, we wouldn’t be able to learn from other people, so keep on arguing! But please do so with restraint and proper grammar, some of you guys really need to read an English textbook.
i’ve risen from the dead to inform you all that i was indeed assassinated by Bert from Sesame Street
Hey, Jack, you still mad at us (CIA)? What a mastermind plan – perfect – there’s plenty of die-hard believers who still think poor Oswald did it. Not even in 2029 will they know the truth. You should of towed the line like the rest of the other so-called Presidents. You should of played ball with the real rulers of this country. We had to make you an example for the rest of you so-call Presidents to follow. Iraq here we come – OIL!
I have watched many series and read many articles about the JFK assasination. The fact that people think their was at least 5 shots is an incredibly absurd thought. Their was only one audio tape recorded at the time of the assasination. It was that of one of the police officers that was tailing the vehicle down the street. From the studies of the tape it prove their were only 3 shots. Also the thought of someone on the Grassy Nole is false. It hs been studied and proven their was no one on the nole and if their was they were 2.8 feet tall. The scientists used the proportions of the other individuals in the picture and it was proven their was only one shooter and 3 shots.
Mystery Man, I totally agree with your thoughts. The fact that a bullet could change direction so quick is basically impossible. But the question is though where did the other shot come from if the magic bullet theory is false. The thought that it could have came from the grassy nole is defiantely false. Due to the proportions and also the angle of the shot would have gome through his shoulder….their is no way it could have possibly changed direction to hit the governor in the back then continue through to the wrist then the leg.
Joe, dude… …fix and forget it. I actually never noticed it until you mentioned it. Considering how great the rest of your site works and looks, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.
Screw microsoft. ~end of discussion~
Joe, I hope they publish your letter! Little Green Footballs covered the whole Corrie affair pretty thoroughly. Glad I missed the letter to the editor, it would have ruined my day.–s
Scott — thanks. A lot of the information I gathered for my letter originated with links found at LGF. A great site…we’ll see if the TU has the ‘nads to publish me. They have in the past…
I think Stefan Sharkansky also did some work in Seattle with the same sort of letter to the editor…
LMAO!
I can only imagine. Funny thing is, I can picture this whole thing happening to me very clearly. Too clearly.
Well, at least you set the record straight.
Go Jags! Looks like Del Rio is starting to find the perfect mix. Next year should be interesting.
I’ve been debating this flooring thing with my wife for three months. You just made the decision for me. I will pay to have it done.
I can’t imagine cutting that stuff around the rounded stairway base. I can only imagine…
I posted a comment on Earthly Passions entitled “Excuses Excuses” found at http://www.earthlypassions.com/earthlypassions/2003/12/excuses_excuses.html
The sad thing is that, had I been feeling better and had I known a little more about the preparations involved, I would have really enjoyed doing this. I’ll probably feel that way when all the details are done.
I’am interested in become part of the wall of tolerance. I was hoping you could guide in the proper direction. Well, hope to hear for you soon.
you sen t award of Wall of Tolerance But spelled my name wrong on it Terrie Melson not nelson please send me new one thank you Terrie Melson
I just received an invitation to be enshrined on the Wall yesterday. I just wonder how they got my name, and why I have to pay? It sounds like a good idea, but I’m not sure it is for me. At first I thought it was just another charity asking for donations…. I don’t know.
I also have received an invitation to have my name on the Wall of Tolerance. I was very appreciative but confused on how my name was selected. I am no one special in my community. I have not done anything to be recognized for and if I am that significant then why should I have to pay for my name to be recognized as a person of tolerance. I teach acceptance to my children and tolerance but not at any cost. Sometimes tolerance is the popular vote but it can be a morally bankrupt venture. Our nation teaches us to be tolerant when it is convenient. I will not tolerate my rights as a human being to be violated. So, although I am very appreciative to be given the opportunity to be recognized and have my name on a wall with great people, I do not think that I deserve it.
Do you ever wonder why the Southern Poverty Law Center has a Wall of Silence concerning Israel’s Apartheid Wall of Hate? You would think that celebrating diversity and multiculturalism would work as well for Israel as it has for America. Could it be that eliminating a group identity also eliminates the group? If that’s so then why does the Wall of Tolerance promote the identity of some groups while remaining steadfastly intolerant of white identity? Is it hatful to promote the extermination of a people and their culture by amalgamation? Are the American Indians considered hateful because they were intolerant of white immigration, and the subsequent loss of their lands, culture and people? Isn’t the Wall of Tolerance the promotion of racism of some groups at the expense of the racism of others? If that’s so then is it understandable for a people not to tolerate (to take or sustain without protest or repining) the promotion of their own demise? Did you know that Blacks commit nine times more race motivated crimes against Whites than Whites do against Blacks? If Blacks commit more racist crime than Whites, then why is it that the Southern Poverty Law Center only laments Black victims? Isn’t the Southern Poverty Law Center really just an intolerant racist organization run by racist Jews? If racism is good for Jews and Blacks then why is it bad for Whites? Could it be because White racism might be bad for Israel’s Apartheid Wall of Hate?
If you truely think there is little racist influence in our culture, I’d like to remind you of SENATE MAJORITY LEADER Trent Lott who at Strom Thurman’s 100th party late last year announced to core republican constituents that if Thurman had won the presidency, we would not be having “all these problems.” Strom Thurman ran a single-issue campaign on segregation in 1948. You might remember seeing video tapes of it; after Trent Lott said that, the people went absolutely wild.
I’ll post as short as possible an ryn to a few comments I read.
In society before any event can be analyzed, one must understand that things to _not_ happen in a vacuum. There is a social power structure attached to very social event that has its roots in the past. For this reason, There is something fundamentally different between racism commited by a “white” (a term that originated after WWI) against a “black” and that committed by a black against a white. None are condonable, but they are clearly different. Think: who has society oppressed and who is the oppressor?
There are gimmicks designed by professional advertising agencies to elicit sympathy, compassion, and, of course, indigantion in the gullible American public. The bottom line in most of these appeals to the pubic is a request for money. Radio evangelists began early with the use of the radio, reaching out to the pocketbooks of God-fearing Christians for offerings for special causes, as they were so colorably described.
Money is the mother’s milk of politics and the proliferation of organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Morris Dees is probably a millionaire by now, and is more a showman than an attorney. He wants as much money as the public will give him. This money will be quickly consumed by administrative costs and exorbitant salaries. Very little of it, probably 20%, will go for the costly litigation for the poor. The Wall of Tolerance is just a means to an end. If Morris Dees could get every name of every American inscribed on the Wall along with a $50.00 contribution, or offering, the Wall would probably be extremely long and high. Of, course, he would build it. No doubt. He might hire a contractor pay him four times more than he is wirth But the